OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey

It's not the cloud I fear....it's what IT WILL BECOME (companies like Carbonite)...that is the keeper of my data (well not mine, yours) at a price that you can bet your A#% will continue to climb...be it the monthly subscriptions and /or as I see it, charging more and more for data recovery/retrieval. Once they have it, what's to stop them from upping the cost or changing their plan...it's done all the time, be it insurance companies, gas companies...I'm sure the agreement between you and whomever in small writing somewhere says "we can change how we deal with your data as we see fit" or some legal yada yada. Hey, I hope I'm wrong for the sake of those using companies such as Carbonite. And if in a few years I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong and will probably jump on board. As far as my costs...as I mentioned...I already was paying for the safe deposit box and use it cause I can...so where does 15 minutes come into play on backups...working on computers you know it doesn't take 15 minutes to unplug a drive and plug one back in...If I didn't have it (safety deposit box), I'd keep it at a family members house...oh wait, then we have to figure a portion of their mortgage as rental space. :) So you got me there. LOL. I make a regular trip to the bank weekly...so I can count all my $$$, so we can't count that, I wish. maybe if I was the owner of MS and I lost a cool million for stopping to pick up a penny...then maybe we can count a given. I see it as if stopping for coffee, without the benefits of caffeine. Anyway...time for the Yankee game. Maybe I should skip that, it may cost me time and $$$ :) Enjoy your evening. I almost forgot, most BU drives now come with auto backup software on board...anyone not taking advantage of backing up, well you know. They can call you to recover the info. :)

strikerazde Loc: Phoenix, AZ

Still an irrational fear of technology. As with most things technology related, history shows costs get lower not higher over time. And you gave me the 15 minute estimate in an earlier post I didn't make it up.

You seem to fear what "might" happen, this makes no sense. You might get hit by a bus when you leave your house, but I bet you still venture out.

Oh and the small print does not preclude me from picking up and moving somewhere else either. Choice and competition is always a god thing.

EstherP

Dreamer!

EstherP

flipper2 Loc: East Tennessee

I had signed up for Photoshop.com when I got the Adobe program, I think version 9 before all this revel started. It started downloading my info during when I had got a email wanting me to look around. It snagged my pictures with my scanned medical records which I had scanned as jpeg's. They were in MY element program so I was not concerned. I assure you this was done without my permission. Now I cannot use the program as I have in the passed to download family photos to Facebook without giving up my and my friends info. per Adobe message: "

Photoshop® & Adobe® Premiere® Elements Uploader would like to access your public profile, friend list, email address and photos." Now I can't even send photo I have loaded on my hard drive if I have used Elements. I hope Adobe takes a lesson from J.C. Penny.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

This is not about luddites vs. technophiles; it is a matter of trust.

Can we trust strangers to have our best interests at heart when their primary motivation is to survive, grow and make a profit?

Some of us feel strongly that we are the best judges of what is best for our health, security and happiness.

We prefer not to place that responsibility in the hands of strangers whether it is government, big business or any other self-perpetuating organization.

OnDSnap Loc: NE New Jersey

No fear of technology...if you saw my office...you'd agree. I also build my computers, so again...no fear there. Also I collaborate with many online companies. Again no fear...As for the 15 minutes I mentioned... time it probably takes to burn disks...which again is part of the job...even if I had to make a special trip to the bank for a back up....somebody would get billed for it...being I'd probably be needing an older job drawing or perhaps data no longer on my drives at home. Again it would be billed out. All goes into job cost (I get reimbursed for time and disks) so no loss there. If any time is job related, I get paid for every minute which is tracked via software...automatically. No time there either.
I don't sit there and watch it with oohs and ahs.
In any case, see me in a year or so, let me know if your still paying $59. My business costs will be going down, I get to retire next year. Except for new toys :):)

strikerazde Loc: Phoenix, AZ

I love how people set up a snowman argument, then proceed to tear it down. Nobody said you should pass the responsibility to someone else. An off-site BU is only one backup in the scheme of things. If you have a way to keep a copy off-site - excellent, all I'm saying is $59 is cheap insurance. Do you give them your only copy? Of course not!

Because someone's or some companies motivation is profit is not an issue, another strawman argument! Profit is a good thing. In order for a CO to make a profit, they must serve their customers, when they stop doing that you vote with your feet, and if enough people do that they are out of business. Did you give them your only copy of the data, don't think anyone is that stupid! If they go out of business, their assets will be picked up by someone else at a fire sale or probate sale and boom we have another company. It's called capitalism.

Personal Information...Strawman
You give your SS# to your bank, mortgage company, yet they MIGHT be hacked. You give your Drivers license # to your Insurance Company. Can they absolutely guarantee it's safety? You freely give all sorts of personal data all the time, you've just done it so much that you no longer think about it.

The only real arguments I keep hearing is someone setting up a strawman, then tearing that strawman down, or This might happen or that may happen, this is defined as an irrational fear.

selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA

You’re the one that brought up the tornados – not a realistic concern in most places. I have been though many hurricanes though.

You might notice that some of the people here who least trust the Cloud are the ones with the greatest experience in business and technology. I have been in the software business for five decades and I know its limitations.

Then again, one size does not fit all.

flipper2 Loc: East Tennessee

You seem very supportive of the "cloud". Do you have any affiliation with adobe or any of the other companies supporting "cloud" technology? You almost sound like a Adobe rep. almost like the one I was finally able to talk to about the auto download. She told me it was my fault. That I had approved them down loading my file because in a previous version I had checked it was ok for them to update my files. I had not changed anything since I loaded Adobe 10 when it first came out. I have 10 not 11.I knew nothing of Revel until I got the email wanting me to look at it. I signed in to look and poof. I don't care which company you are this is not trustworthy behavior. I have nothing to hide, I just think we are all accepting the lose of privacy to easy.

strikerazde Loc: Phoenix, AZ

I have no affiliation with any cloud company. And yes you did agree to it. Too many people just hit Agree, Yes, Continue during an install without reading the fine print. I've installed Elements for my wife, and PS6 for myself. I chose to read the fine print and did not allow them to create a cloud account. They don't force you to do it. They do however make it a little difficult if you continue to hit "I agree" during the install. I do agree that they try to sneak it by you, and in face 99% of the time it works. This is NOT an adobe thing, all install packages do this type of thing.

AS far as Revel goes, I must have gotten a dozen emails about it. I don't even know what it is, as I've chosen to trash the emails. I understand they are trying to sell me something I don't want. If I want it or need it, I'll seek it out. You have to learn to ask yourself, "what's in it for them" there is no free lunch!

Mercer Loc: Houston, TX, USA

Cloud? I don't like it. I don't know exactly why I don't like it. I know I don't like handing over control of things that are mine to a monolithic, faceless entity, but that is probably only part of it. As an old f**t, I reserve the right to dislike Cloud for no reason at all. So there!

EstherP

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flipper2 Loc: East Tennessee

What happen to me was that in previous versions going back to PE 3-5, I had flagged that I wanted any fixes or patches added. Every time when I got an upgrade they offered me a 30 days to play with their site to download pictures to. I played with this some and this is where I suspect I allowed them to upgrade any software automatically. I did a few crappy photos. Then they sent me an email offering to let me look around at the new Revel cloud. I looked around some. Since I am a very casual user it was not interesting to me. I believe this is the point they started downloading my files. Over the years, I have to say I was not very strict setting up files. I had scanned my medical records as jpegs and had them in PE. I had a folder there to put them in. They got downloaded to the "Cloud". I think I got them deleted from the cloud. Who knows for sure. The wording as I was deleting them sounded like they were going to be deleted from my hard drive also.(they weren't but the language sound like it would.)
You think some tech company would built a waterproof and fireproof hard drive that could be bolted down. Or Wi-Fi info into a safe somewhere in or house.