How to fix gun control (Page 26): Take a deep breath doc they'll be coming for ya shortly ..... ha,ha,ha,ha, give mama a wet one doc .....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

yamini7 wrote:

You're here for the same reason I am....do you feel like you're getting anywhere?

Take a deep breath doc they'll be coming for ya shortly ..... ha,ha,ha,ha, give mama a wet one doc .....

yamini7

Wabbit wrote:

Pucker up doc .....

I gotta admit, you make me laugh!

digiman Loc: Brooklyn, NY/Greenville, SC

PNagy wrote:

You enigmatically cover one non sequitur with another. It is not a matter of what I believe; it is facts. First, it is a fact that all murder is crime. It is also a fact that when the number of guns diminishes, so does the murder rate. Whether I believe it or not, apparently fewer guns are available for crime. With no guns in circulation, no gun is available for crime.

I can agree with you in that if there are less guns there will be less gun crimes but then you can say the same about all the other implements of danger out there.

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

PNagy wrote:

It never ceases to amaze me that you keep posting utter non sequiturs in the belief that now you have really pulled off the greatest coup in the history of debate.

Ho hum !.....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

yamini7 wrote:

God Bless you Dennis....I have no intention of inf... (show quote)

Infringe on this doc .....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

pbearperry wrote:

Seems like every lunatic has been drawn into this discussion and that's a good think.It keeps them off the streets and out of the bedroom so they can't procreate.

That's the dangerous part doc ..... peter's parents claim they never has any children that lived .....

digiman Loc: Brooklyn, NY/Greenville, SC

PNagy wrote:

This is yet another example of specious logic, which is the absolute best you offer. A city is not a self contained polity. Regardless its gun control laws, guns can flow in from communities around it. When the self-contained polity, the nation or the state, passes and adheres to gun control laws, the number of guns drops, and so does the murder rate. Your position is untenable, therefore instead of arguing the Rosetta Stone for understanding an issue, you nibble at the periphery.

There is no nibbling at the periphery since that is the truth about Chicago.

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

PNagy wrote:

You enigmatically cover one non sequitur with another. It is not a matter of what I believe; it is facts. First, it is a fact that all murder is crime. It is also a fact that when the number of guns diminishes, so does the murder rate. Whether I believe it or not, apparently fewer guns are available for crime. With no guns in circulation, no gun is available for crime.

No one cares wat you believe doc .....

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

PNagy wrote:

This is yet another example of specious logic, which is the absolute best you offer. A city is not a self contained polity. Regardless its gun control laws, guns can flow in from communities around it. When the self-contained polity, the nation or the state, passes and adheres to gun control laws, the number of guns drops, and so does the murder rate. Your position is untenable, therefore instead of arguing the Rosetta Stone for understanding an issue, you nibble at the periphery.

Booorrring doc ..... plain borrrinnng

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

digiman wrote:

Chicago has the highest crime rate and the toughest gun laws yet criminals are doing their thing. They don't watch stats and laws and will always get their hands on weapons.

Once again, you resort to the illogical, but emotionally appealing tactic of looking at data from part of the issue, instead of the issue as a whole. Chicago is not a self-contained polity, like a province, or better yet, a nation state. That means guns can flow into Chicago from surrounding communities, and in fact that is what is happening.

"Most of the guns that come into Chicago are from out of state or from parts of Illinois where gun control laws are not so strict. More than 400 guns were traced to Mississippi, where many of those whose families immigrated to Chicago in the early 20th century may remain. Rather than serving as an argument against gun control (one that could certainly be countered by the murder rate in Louisiana), Chicago serves as a call to a national, regulated gun control policy. " (http://www.redstate.com/politicalwoman/2013/04/14/gun-control-chicago-style-or-bring-a-bat-to-the-fight/)

Another aspect of the situation around which you skirt is the actual penalty for gun law violation in Chicago, which is enough to deter generally law abiding people from violating it, but not hardened criminals. A respectable man would be crushed by a typical sentence of one year in prison with an average of six months actually served, whereas to a criminal it is the cost of doing business.

Garry F. McCarthy, Chicago Police Superintendent: "Chicago may have comprehensive gun laws, but they are not strict because the sanctions don't exist."

Finally, you have not bothered to read up on gun control laws that have succeeded. If Chicago were a self contained polity, it would be too early to write off the effect of its laws anyway, because they have long term, not immediate effects. Chicago's gun control laws were passed in 2010. At first there is little or no effect. After several years the number of guns begins to diminish, along with the gun violence. In ten years the effect is dramatic. It has been less than three years since Chicago passed its current gun control laws.

You are not interested in determining the truth; you merely grab those arguments you can twist into supporting your desire to have no restriction on gun ownership. You refuse to look at the overall situation in an objective manner. I'll give you this, though; you persist through wind and rain. You are impervious to unlimited refutations of your wild west values.

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

pbearperry wrote:

Terrific,now I have to dig out my Dictionary again.This guy must be a Lawyer.

He used the term nickers I believe ..... wat's dat tell ya doc

digiman Loc: Brooklyn, NY/Greenville, SC

PNagy wrote:

Once again, you resort to the illogical, but emotionally appealing tactic of looking at data from part of the issue, instead of the issue as a whole. Chicago is not a self-contained polity, like a province, or better yet, a nation state. That means guns can flow into Chicago from surrounding communities, and in fact that is what is happening.

"Most of the guns that come into Chicago are from out of state or from parts of Illinois where gun control laws are not so strict. More than 400 guns were traced to Mississippi, where many of those whose families immigrated to Chicago in the early 20th century may remain. Rather than serving as an argument against gun control (one that could certainly be countered by the murder rate in Louisiana), Chicago serves as a call to a national, regulated gun control policy. " (http://www.redstate.com/politicalwoman/2013/04/14/gun-control-chicago-style-or-bring-a-bat-to-the-fight/)

Another aspect of the situation around which you skirt is the actual penalty for gun law violation in Chicago, which is enough to deter generally law abiding people from violating it, but not hardened criminals. A respectable man would be crushed by a typical sentence of one year in prison with an average of six months actually served, whereas to a criminal it is the cost of doing business.

Garry F. McCarthy, Chicago Police Superintendent: "Chicago may have comprehensive gun laws, but they are not strict because the sanctions don't exist."

Finally, you have not bothered to read up on gun control laws that have succeeded. If Chicago were a self contained polity, it would be too early to write off the effect of its laws anyway, because they have long term, not immediate effects. Chicago's gun control laws were passed in 2010. At first there is little or no effect. After several years the number of guns begins to diminish, along with the gun violence. In ten years the effect is dramatic. It has been less than three years since Chicago passed its current gun control laws.

You are not interested in determining the truth; you merely grab those arguments you can twist into supporting your desire to have no restriction on gun ownership. You refuse to look at the overall situation in an objective manner. I'll give you this, though; you persist through wind and rain. You are impervious to unlimited refutations of your wild west values.

Once again, you resort to the illogical, but emoti... (show quote)

My desire to have no gun restriction is a statement without merit. I believe our country needs to have gun laws and that everyone who carries needs to abide by the law.

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

ted45 wrote:

Everytime I start thinking you might have a point you post something like this. The destruction of the Republican party is happening because they can't get together on anything. They are all following their own path. The Democrats however are in lock step and present a more consistent front than the Republicans.

Maybe the Republicans that vote against Obama are doing so because they believe he is wrong. Even some Democrats are starting to publicly question his positions.

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Of the republicans in the Senate, only the following voted against even one aspect of gun control against the party line:

Susan Collins ME
Mark Steven Kirk Ill
Mike Lee Utah
John McCain Ariz
Lisa Murkowski Alaska
Patrick J. Toomey PA

Not one of them voted against all parts of the Republican Party line. Only Mark Stevens voted against the party line in six of seven major categories (expanded background checks, limiting magazine sizes, etc.) Now, as you were saying, or shall we look at some other key legislature?

PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas

DickC wrote:

I'm an NRA Life member and I believe in it!

Have you polled the entire membership?

Wabbit Loc: Arizona Desert

digiman wrote:

My desire to have no gun restriction is a statement without merit. I believe our country needs to have gun laws and that everyone who carries needs to abide by the law.

Hey Doc ..... ya wasting ya time with PNagy ..... he'll copy and paste ya to death doc .....