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Apr 23, 2013 17:20:57   #
bugguy Loc: midwest
 
VERY WELL SAID! And yes, all capital letters because I'm screaming it.

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Apr 23, 2013 17:22:08   #
bugguy Loc: midwest
 
Oh sorry. In response to what picsbywayne posted

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Apr 23, 2013 17:53:51   #
jimmymack1
 
you sound not only like a pro photographer but also a good patient teacher....my hat's off to you....

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Apr 23, 2013 17:56:28   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
gagirl89 wrote:
you know the person who asked for the advice didn't ask for smart butt comments they just wanted some advice - if you can't say something nice you don't need to comment. And as for the comment about another "would be photographer" - at one time you were too. You weren't born a professional photographer were you??? this is the main reason I quit asking for advice on here b/c of a bunch of smart butts! You are very discouraging to new people going in to photography. I don't care if you like what I have to say - you need to grow up & be professional if you are a so called "professional" photographer!
you know the person who asked for the advice didn'... (show quote)


Can't let this pass. First, a person who or who aspires to be a professional would not made such a ridiculous statement such as "if you can't say something nice you don't need to comment". Second, the person asking the question made it sound as if he didn't have a clue as to what lens to use for weddings. Then later goes on to admit he had done many weddings but was just curious what others used. I'm curious as to why he wasnt forthright in the first place. If he had been most likely the responses would have been very different. Third, as far as i am concerned the purpose of this forum isn't to spoon feed people information. It is to have an intelligent knowledgeable exchange of information and ideas and to assist others in becoming better photographers. It is one thing to provide helpful information when the person has tried to the best of their ability to solve a problem and quite another to expect others to do the research and/or work for them. Fourth, sometimes the remarks may be severe or harsh but if deservedly so then that person needs to learn from the comments. Lastly, as far as needing to grow up, you first.

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Apr 23, 2013 18:02:01   #
Nikonista Loc: England
 
JR1 wrote:
Well, as someone who has been here for weeks what is your advice or is that it ;)


Well I was Best Man recently so no photography for me that day I (although as a hobby picture-taker I would not do a wedding anyway) but I was enthralled to watch the pros do the pics.

Lady of a certain age on the camera, man of similar setting the people and handling the equipment, medium format camera, tripod made out of girders and all was calm and controlled and an object lesson in two people working together without fuss and as far as I can remember hardly a word passing between them.

The lighting was good but diffuse so no need for lights or reflectors.

The pictures were, of course superb. If only I had remembered to ask what settings they used!!!!!! What am I like???

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Apr 23, 2013 18:21:00   #
jimmymack1
 
I am not a pro, although I have sold some of my work, still I don't consider my self a pro, far from it. I come on here to learn & absorb everything I can from folks that I assume have a ton more knowledge and experience then I, there are many of on here all doing the same and some times in our enthusiasm we ask what might seem dumb questions or to clarify something we don't fully grasp . We just want to learn everything we can, I know I do but if I post and I get it stinks please tell me why/or how I can make it better.
jimmy M.

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Apr 23, 2013 19:05:29   #
Jim Peters Loc: Pittsburgh
 
Yes Film When It Cost $250 just in film Cost.Another$250 to get It Processed And 1 Each 5 By 5 Proofs. The * By 10 Albums Cost $500.00 Unassembled.Then About Another $250 to get The Eight By Tens Or Other Size Groups Printed. A $3000.00 Wedding At That Time Cost $1500.00 In Overhead. And Oh Yes Then The Time To Assemble It all. Do We Really Miss It?

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Apr 23, 2013 19:22:35   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
The Watcher wrote:
I've been a member for several years and have noticed that what usually gets the OP in trouble is how they word their question or comment. Had SharpImages said, "I use a 7d for weddings and was just wonder what type of glass and lighting others are using?" I'm sure there would of been some great answers. Remember, it's all in the wording.


P :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Apr 23, 2013 20:02:27   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Paris wrote:
JR1, you are a rude dude. She was just asking for a little advice. I would say if you have nothing positive to say, don't say anything.


Just curious, what is your definition of "positive?" Don't know about you but the teachers and professors at the high school, colleges, universities, and professional schools I attended did not have any problems telling me (albeit politely) that my work was less than adequate or even stunk. On second thought some were not so polite. Why is it that criticism seems to make so many people upset these days? The best educators I had were those who were willing to tell me I was wrong and in some cases questioned my ability to think at all. I would much rather have someone tell me my question was dumb or ill conceived or that I needed to do some work and/or research myself. That is how people learn, not from pandering to ill thought out questions or spoon feeding information that they should already gotten themselves.

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Apr 23, 2013 21:01:54   #
CaptainC Loc: Colorado, south of Denver
 
Denisedoan3 wrote:
I agree with edazz...like my dearly departed Grandmother would say...."if you have nothing nice to say...don't say anything at all!"


There you go - lets's just keep telling everyone their substandard work is great 'cuz God forbid they learn the work sucks.

That advice is great for grandmothers, terrible for photographers Almost as bad as someone asking for critique with the admonition to, "...be gentle." I guess I grew up differently...but I improved and those brutal critiques made me much better. Thank God they were not "gentle" or I'd still be thinking my original drivel was a gift to the photographic world!. :-)

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Apr 23, 2013 21:35:36   #
jimmymack1
 
the true question why does it suck? what's wrong with? how do I make it better!

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Apr 23, 2013 21:51:53   #
Bruce with a Canon Loc: Islip
 
SharpImages wrote:
I have a canon 7d what are the best lenses to use for a wedding. And do you bring lighting as well.



Have you read "Wedding photography for dummies"
Your question alone demonstrates you are not ready for prime time.
Wedding shooters get one shot per shot all day long.
Wedding shooters know what to have in hand, when to have it. Who to shoot and when and control the shoot.
And you are asking what glass to pack?
oh my goodness.
You might consider shooting flowers

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Apr 23, 2013 21:53:48   #
GoofyNewfie Loc: Kansas City
 
Bruce with a Canon wrote:
Have you read "Wedding photography for dummies"
Your question alone demonstrates you are not ready for prime time.
Wedding shooters get one shot per shot all day long.
Wedding shooters know what to have in hand, when to have it. Who to shoot and when and control the shoot.
And you are asking what glass to pack?
oh my goodness.
You might consider shooting flowers


And this is on your signature line?
"Every man is my superior in that I may learn from him."

You might consider changing it.

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Apr 23, 2013 21:58:56   #
lyndon Loc: Perth Western Australia
 
You know what I totally agree with you. He was just asking for information not to be attacked. If people can't reply in a constructive way they shouldn't reply at all. Keep your negative opinions to yourself!

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Apr 23, 2013 22:00:06   #
deej
 
CaptainC wrote:
There you go - lets's just keep telling everyone their substandard work is great 'cuz God forbid they learn the work sucks.

That advice is great for grandmothers, terrible for photographers Almost as bad as someone asking for critique with the admonition to, "...be gentle." I guess I grew up differently...but I improved and those brutal critiques made me much better. Thank God they were not "gentle" or I'd still be thinking my original drivel was a gift to the photographic world!. :-)
There you go - lets's just keep telling everyone t... (show quote)


Captain, I'm amazed. The no child left behind era started all this. Actually, you are spot on. I have had harsh criticism not from JR1 yet, but under his roughness he has good points. JR1, this is not a slam by any means?

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