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Apr 11, 2013 20:46:39   #
JayB Loc: Northeast US
 
My idea of manual shooting at this point is One Shot instead of AI Servo. I'm hoping to graduate to this level over the weekend. I appreciate the irreverence of this thread. And I hope I spelled irreverence correctly.

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Apr 11, 2013 21:10:42   #
romanticf16 Loc: Commerce Twp, MI
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
I like this analogy. I never before saw the parallel between automobile transmissions and manual/automatic camera settings. Anybody can drive an automatic transmission, but to effortlessly use 5-on-the-floor takes a bit of gear grinding to get there, and second-guessing as to downshift timing, etc. Learning manual camera settings is no different.


Take away the synchronizers in the trans so you have to "double clutch" and it gets real interesting.

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Apr 11, 2013 21:20:45   #
bunuweld Loc: Arizona
 
winterrose wrote:
Thank you banuweld, I would not say that I was particularly careful with language, it is simply, as in the case of your kind self, the product of both an above average IQ and a fully rounded education.

My use of that incorrect term which you have brought to light for my edification was the result of a subliminal aversion to the use of what could be construed by some to be crude gutter language.

As you may have gathered by now, one must be extremely careful in what one says in this tightly self censored UHH environment, there are many eyes watching and many fingers poised over keyboards from people ready and itching to cut off at the knees anyone who steps even slightly off the very defined line which is their inordinately precious and precarious ego.

If I may be bold, may I very respectfully point out to you a small but significant point?

As we both would concede, your use of a double negative in your second sentence bears a somewhat non-committal stance.

"Are you also reluctant to incite the wrath of the insecure?"
Thank you banuweld, I would not say that I was par... (show quote)


Not really. I see merits in both the manual users and those relying more on the automatic features. It has nothing to do with fear of inciting anybody's wrath.

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Apr 11, 2013 21:33:17   #
Harvey Loc: Pioneer, CA
 
I started my serious photography just 20 yrs ago with my first SLR - everything was manual - I enjoyed the setting up for the shot- in 2004 - I moved into digital with a bridge camera because of the $$$ I just could not afford a DSLR and lens kit - now- just these past 2 weeks I have a Canon Rebel 350d and some good lens that will allow me to do that manual settings on my prime shots again.

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Apr 11, 2013 21:35:29   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
romanticf16 wrote:
Take away the synchronizers in the trans so you have to "double clutch" and it gets real interesting.



What is all this stuff about driving a manual transmission vehicle anyway? What is the big deal?

Shooting Manual is the only way to go according to all our photographic gurus. They support this by ostracizing all and any who dare turn that dial to "P" or, heaven forbid that they may turn to stone, "A" (arrrgghh!), and they boil their washing and send telegrams and catch the nearest wagon train to go west young man.

They listen to the BBC on their valve powered radiograms, crank their cars over in the morning and read the Saturday Evening Post by gas light.

According to them taking photographs using only Manual exposure settings all the time will give you an air of authority over and above all the other also-rans and somehow provide you with a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.

Or is that indigestion?

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Apr 11, 2013 22:09:50   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
bunuweld wrote:
Not really. I see merits in both the manual users and those relying more on the automatic features. It has nothing to do with fear of inciting anybody's wrath.


You excluded, hasn't it got through to people by now that I am of the view that with all this technology available to us, what the heck is the big deal in using it.

In modern aviation, without the existence and extensive use of technology there would be corpses trapped inside crushed and burned out hulls from one end of the country to the other.

You are viewing this because of the Internet, on a computer.

The world as we know it would cease without cell phones.

Would you even consider buying a new car which had manual window winders? Come to think of it, they are no longer made, are they?

Hooray, I say, for automatics. Use them with alacrity and aplomb, and make adjustments at your whim.

Cheers, Rob.

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Apr 11, 2013 22:21:46   #
deej
 
winterrose wrote:
What is all this stuff about driving a manual transmission vehicle anyway? What is the big deal?

Shooting Manual is the only way to go according to all our photographic gurus. They support this by ostracizing all and any who dare turn that dial to "P" or, heaven forbid that they may turn to stone, "A" (arrrgghh!), and they boil their washing and send telegrams and catch the nearest wagon train to go west young man.

They listen to the BBC on their valve powered radiograms, crank their cars over in the morning and read the Saturday Evening Post by gas light.

According to them taking photographs using only Manual exposure settings all the time will give you an air of authority over and above all the other also-rans and somehow provide you with a warm and fuzzy feeling inside.

Or is that indigestion?
What is all this stuff about driving a manual tran... (show quote)


I agree with you on this. Setting to "A" when I already know I want a certain depth of field and just want to adjust the others. Setting to "P" when i want to control the others. Setting to "S" when I know what speed to capture it at and want to control the others and on and on. What is the difference???? Do you still not have to make some basic decision before you adjust any of the 3 controls that you do have??? Use them all. Heck, even the dreaded "Auto" with Auto ISO to completely guarantee the capture even if it is not perfect. You did get the shot!!! I shoot "M" as much as I can and "Auto" very seldom but I believe there is a place for all of them. Knowing and using the camera to the best of your ability is what it is really all about is it not, while still pushing the learning curve when you can???

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Apr 12, 2013 04:59:13   #
johnfromsouthwell Loc: Southwell, Notts. UK
 
deej wrote:
I agree with you on this. Setting to "A" when I already know I want a certain depth of field and just want to adjust the others. Setting to "P" when i want to control the others. Setting to "S" when I know what speed to capture it at and want to control the others and on and on. What is the difference???? Do you still not have to make some basic decision before you adjust any of the 3 controls that you do have??? Use them all. Heck, even the dreaded "Auto" with Auto ISO to completely guarantee the capture even if it is not perfect. You did get the shot!!! I shoot "M" as much as I can and "Auto" very seldom but I believe there is a place for all of them. Knowing and using the camera to the best of your ability is what it is really all about is it not, while still pushing the learning curve when you can???
I agree with you on this. Setting to "A"... (show quote)


Well said.

John

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Apr 12, 2013 21:40:11   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
[quote

If I may be bold, may I very respectfully point out to you a small but significant point?

As we both would concede, your use of a double negative in your second sentence bears a somewhat non-committal stance.

[/quote]

Winterrose,
I had hoped to stay out of the fray, but I am compelled to point out that there is absolutely no double negative in the second sentence.

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Apr 12, 2013 22:49:18   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
quonnie wrote:
Winterrose,
I had hoped to stay out of the fray, but I am compelled to point out that there is absolutely no double negative in the second sentence.


OH PLEEEASE!!! Give me the benefit of knowing enough about the English language!!! banuweld and I were just having a little friendly dig with each other.

But if you care to seriously take me on.......???

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Apr 12, 2013 23:05:36   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
winterrose wrote:
OH PLEEEASE!!! Give me the benefit of knowing enough about the English language!!! banuweld and I were just having a little friendly dig with each other.

But if you care to seriously take me on.......???


If you know so much about the language, why do you point at a double negative that isn't there? "Not in disagreement..." does not constitute a double negative. Need I explain why?

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Apr 12, 2013 23:24:36   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
quonnie wrote:
If you know so much about the language, why do you point at a double negative that isn't there? "Not in disagreement..." does not constitute a double negative. Need I explain why?


I would rather that you explain why the horizon in your avatar is not level.

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Apr 12, 2013 23:29:22   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
Changing the subject is a sign of weakness or defeat, or both.

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Apr 12, 2013 23:33:43   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
quonnie wrote:
Changing the subject is a sign of weakness or defeat, or both.



OK then, if it makes you happy, go ahead and explain....Yawn!

Maybe then you'll go away and get back to peeping your pixel.

P.S. I'll bet you checked though, didn't you?

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Apr 12, 2013 23:37:13   #
NoSocks Loc: quonochontaug, rhode island
 
My God, but this is tedious. Good night.

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