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Apr 4, 2013 14:13:47   #
eospaddy Loc: Liverpool UK
 
GHK wrote:
One problem here is that not everyone means the same thing when they use the term Exposure Value.

In its precise sense Exposure Value gives a measure of the quantity of light which is allowed to reach the sensor. Most of the time, we do not quote this; instead, we give a pair of values, one for the length of time for which light is allowed to pass through the lens and one which gives a measure of the size of the hole through which it passes.
Eg. 1/1000 sec at f/2.8
which has the same EV as 1/500 at f/4
and as 1/250 at f/5.6
etc., etc.
The EV for all these combinations is EV 13.
he base point for EV calculation is EV 0, which corresponds to 1 sec at f/1 .

There was a time when EV values could be set directly on some cameras; one of these was the Kodak Retina 1A.
GHK
One problem here is that not everyone means the sa... (show quote)


slightly technical answer and i wont pretend to no what it all meant but regards to different combinations resulting in the same exposure i get and for the most part i don't think i will even use it ( E.V ) but i did want to no what was changing in the photographic triangle if you like, and with the kind help from you guys i have a fair grasp of the E.V know, thanx for your input

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Apr 4, 2013 14:13:51   #
GHK Loc: The Vale of Eden
 
rebride wrote:
I was just playing with the exposure compensation dial on my camera.
When increasing (+) it opened up the aperture
When decreasing (-) it went to higher shutter speed.
Go figure?


Presumably the selection was being affected by some other setting which you had selected in the background.
GHK

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Apr 4, 2013 14:18:18   #
GHK Loc: The Vale of Eden
 
eospaddy wrote:
slightly technical answer and i wont pretend to no what it all meant but regards to different combinations resulting in the same exposure i get and for the most part i don't think i will even use it ( E.V ) but i did want to no what was changing in the photographic triangle if you like, and with the kind help from you guys i have a fair grasp of the E.V know, thanx for your input


I agree that there is no need to use EV in a practical way; I don't. It's a good idea to know it exists though, because, as I indicated, some people use the term much more loosely.
GHK

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Apr 4, 2013 14:20:31   #
eospaddy Loc: Liverpool UK
 
rebride wrote:
I was just playing with the exposure compensation dial on my camera.
When increasing (+) it opened up the aperture
When decreasing (-) it went to higher shutter speed.
Go figure?


go figure, lol, but eh thats a interesting one, but we know also now it will alter either or just depending on the scenario. thanx for chipping in with that

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Apr 4, 2013 14:39:44   #
n3eg Loc: West coast USA
 
GHK wrote:
I agree that there is no need to use EV in a practical way; I don't. It's a good idea to know it exists though, because, as I indicated, some people use the term much more loosely.
GHK


We electronics types who deal with db and dbm understand it just fine.

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Apr 4, 2013 15:25:19   #
rebride
 
GHK wrote:
Presumably the selection was being affected by some other setting which you had selected in the background.
GHK


Your right. It was in 400% DR.
My camera only does EV compensation when in Auto, but there are other settings i.e. dynamic range, hi and low contrast etc which can be applied when in Auto, which does some sort of tone mapping.
Though it still seems to favor aperture in + and shutter speed in - it does a either/or combo f/stop/shutter speed depending on ????.
Interesting.

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Apr 4, 2013 15:28:58   #
billybaseball Loc: Bel Air MD
 
eospaddy wrote:
when you increase your E.V by say one whole stop where are we gaining that light from ? for instance I.S.O increase will give more light at the expense of noise, whats the trade off with E.V when you add more light ?


If you are changing the exposure compensation in the camera you are changing the brightness at which the camera processes the image, you are not changing any of the three legs of exposure.

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Apr 4, 2013 15:34:30   #
billybaseball Loc: Bel Air MD
 
Searcher wrote:
I have just taken 5 shots Manual exposure, 1/80th sec, f/5.6, ISO 100
My exposure compensation was + one stop each time.

The exif data reads 1/80th sec, f/5.6, ISO 100 for each one but no 2 has +1.0 EV, no 3 has +2.0 EV etc.

So what is changing each time - something is, the first pic was correctly exposed, the last was very different but the Exif says the three basic settings are all the same.

I repeated the exercise on another camera (different model) and the results are the same.
I have just taken 5 shots Manual exposure, 1/80th ... (show quote)


This is absolutely correct. Changing the exposure compensation changes how the camera processes the raw image into a jpg, it does not change your settings. Try shooting raw and see if what happens.

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Apr 4, 2013 17:17:57   #
rebride
 
billybaseball wrote:
This is absolutely correct. Changing the exposure compensation changes how the camera processes the raw image into a jpg, it does not change your settings. Try shooting raw and see if what happens.


Depends on camera how it all works.

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Apr 4, 2013 17:20:00   #
Bmac Loc: Long Island, NY
 
billybaseball wrote:
If you are changing the exposure compensation in the camera you are changing the brightness at which the camera processes the image, you are not changing any of the three legs of exposure.


Of course you are, here is yet another site that explains what happens when you adjust exposure compensation.

If you are using a basic compact camera and you want your pictures lighter or darker, just change the Exposure Compensation EV+/- to your desired setting. The camera will automatically choose a shutter speed and aperture to
adjust the exposure.

If you are a Digital SLR user, you can use the Exposure Compensation feature in the Aperture Priority, Shutter Priority and Program modes. If you use the Exposure Compensation EV+/- feature in the program mode, the camera will automatically choose a combination of the shutter speed and lens aperture settings that will lighten or darken the image. (the amount of extra brightness of darkness of the image will be dependent upon on the EV+/- setting that you
choose.)

If you are using the Shutter Priority mode, when you change the EV+/- settings, the camera will change the lens aperture setting to lighten or darken the picture accordingly. The shutter speed will remain constant.

When you use the Aperture Priority mode, the camera will adjust the Shutter Speed when the EV+/- setting is changed. In that case, the lens aperture setting will remain constant.

From:http://easybasicphotography.com/exposure-compensation-ev.html

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Apr 4, 2013 17:28:19   #
infocus Loc: Australia
 
rpavich wrote:
But joeb didnt' answer the question.

The question was:

"When in auto modes and you dial in +EV or -EV in the camera...which of the 3 exposure variables is it modifying to get the different EV value"?


You're quite right. I did NOT read the question that way in the first place but you're correct. My apologies.

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Apr 5, 2013 02:19:09   #
BHC Loc: Strawberry Valley, JF, USA
 
http://www.fredparker.com/ultexp1.htm
2-3 pages down. Excellent treatise on Exposure Value.

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Apr 5, 2013 02:44:45   #
lighthouse Loc: No Fixed Abode
 
eospaddy wrote:
when you increase your E.V by say one whole stop where are we gaining that light from ? for instance I.S.O increase will give more light at the expense of noise, whats the trade off with E.V when you add more light ?


From a cursory glance at my camera (5D2)
Shutter priority changes aperture.
Aperture priority changes shutter speed.
P mode changes both - seemingly in step with each other.
There are more ways of doing it but I didn't want to dig into the menus.

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Apr 5, 2013 05:29:50   #
GrahamS Loc: Hertfordshire, U.K
 
billybaseball wrote:
If you are changing the exposure compensation in the camera you are changing the brightness at which the camera processes the image, you are not changing any of the three legs of exposure.


This is completely incorrect. Disregard.

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Apr 5, 2013 06:09:41   #
georgevedwards Loc: Essex, Maryland.
 
Wait a minute, wasn't it just established that you can't use the EV button when in Manual?
Searcher wrote:
I have just taken 5 shots Manual exposure, 1/80th sec, f/5.6, ISO 100
My exposure compensation was + one stop each time.

The exif data reads 1/80th sec, f/5.6, ISO 100 for each one but no 2 has +1.0 EV, no 3 has +2.0 EV etc.

So what is changing each time - something is, the first pic was correctly exposed, the last was very different but the Exif says the three basic settings are all the same.

I repeated the exercise on another camera (different model) and the results are the same.
I have just taken 5 shots Manual exposure, 1/80th ... (show quote)

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