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Apr 3, 2013 17:37:51   #
floral43
 
winterrose wrote:
Subject; still life, dull, diffused ambient light. I took a number of gray card and incident light measurements. Took a test shot, made a subjective evaluation of the result then settled on exposure settings of 1/2 sec., f4.5 and ISO 320. Set the camera and took the shot then twiddled the dial around to Program Auto and Auto ISO and took another shot.
Not only did both photographs look identical but the settings which the camera set were also exactly the same as my carefully considered choices.
So, all you poo-pooers of all things automatic, please explain?
Subject; still life, dull, diffused ambient light.... (show quote)


Camera Is a linear light tool, did you ever hear of the one third rule? when in auto! if you set up a scene with a black cat against a larger white back ground, and shoot that scene, the camera will adjust to the white back ground and in order to compesate for the 2 thirds white it will lower the exposure, in doing so the result would be a darker black cat, removing a lot of the detail causing an under exposed picture.

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Apr 3, 2013 17:56:57   #
GrahamS Loc: Hertfordshire, U.K
 
jeep_daddy wrote:
Nobody said that "everyone who buys a DSLR wants to learn to be a photographer".
I didn't say anyone did!

And none of my cameras (except my point and shoot) has a pictures of someone's head, three little mountains, a little flower, or a wedding dress?
A Canon 450D has, so does my wifes Nikon D3100

and I guarantee that my point and shoot can't hold a candle to my DSLR's when it comes to creative photography.

But I did think that everyone who joined this forum either wants to learn photography, learn their equipment, improve their images, improve or learn post processing etc. etc.

I mean, take a look at the different topics that you can click on and learn something about. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe some just joined our forum to just click on the General Chit Chat section and tell their views on politics and don't want to know anything about photography. Or maybe some just joined so they can post images in the Photo Gallery so they can get pats on the back.
Nobody said that "everyone who buys a DSLR wa... (show quote)
You said it, not me....

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Apr 3, 2013 18:47:44   #
winterrose Loc: Kyneton, Victoria, Australia
 
floral43 wrote:
Camera Is a linear light tool, did you ever hear of the one third rule? when in auto! if you set up a scene with a black cat against a larger white back ground, and shoot that scene, the camera will adjust to the white back ground and in order to compesate for the 2 thirds white it will lower the exposure, in doing so the result would be a darker black cat, removing a lot of the detail causing an under exposed picture.


What you are describing is what both an averaging light meter and an old fashioned dumb camera would give you. Modern cameras (Nikon anyway, I can't positively speak of any other brand) are so much smarter. Nikons meter the scene then compare the pixel output pattern against a great many various patterns stored in ROM then sets the exposure according to the best fit. It is not infallible of course but that is why they actually let you SEE the result if you look at the little TV screen on the back of your picture taking device. You ARE permitted to nudge the wheels and the little buttons and have another try if you want because you are your own man and will not be told what to do by Asian people in their firmware bunkers.

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Apr 3, 2013 23:33:14   #
mcveed Loc: Kelowna, British Columbia (between trips)
 
big ed wrote:
The reason I nearly always use manual is because I can buy older cheap lenses with good good quality glass that will only work in manual on my nikon d3100. This has given me a good grounding on how my camera works....
Kev


I think this discussion is about manual exposure, not manual focusing.

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Apr 4, 2013 10:51:50   #
Mudshark Loc: Illinois
 
winterrose wrote:
What you are describing is what both an averaging light meter and an old fashioned dumb camera would give you. Modern cameras (Nikon anyway, I can't positively speak of any other brand) are so much smarter. Nikons meter the scene then compare the pixel output pattern against a great many various patterns stored in ROM then sets the exposure according to the best fit. It is not infallible of course but that is why they actually let you SEE the result if you look at the little TV screen on the back of your picture taking device. You ARE permitted to nudge the wheels and the little buttons and have another try if you want because you are your own man and will not be told what to do by Asian people in their firmware bunkers.
What you are describing is what both an averaging ... (show quote)


For once, I almost agree with you. In the 60's I cautiously approached my gruff old Navy Chief with a complaint about one of the cameras I had been shooting aerials with. "The PROBLEM," he loudly noted, "is the loose screw three inches behind the viewfinder!" I eventually came to realize the best camera meters, electronics, etc. are located just a tad bit farther than three inches behind the viewfinder....somewhere between your ears. Once you truly investigate the zone system, i.e., actually run the scales, etc. Once you shoot tens of thousands of frames of Tri-X and hand develop in D-76 1:1 with precise agitation...well...eventually the meter behind the viewfinder becomes infinitely superior to any silicon chip that will ever exist in geekdom.
This is not to say I do not fully appreciate the modern, digital electronics but rather I use my brain to rule them...and not to be ruled by them...........

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