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Mar 24, 2013 14:13:45   #
Take 5 Cinema Loc: Canoe BC
 
scruffyherbert wrote:
Nevada Chuck wrote:
Ambrose Bearce once remarked that "Cynicism is that defect of vision which causes us to see things as they are, rather than as we would wish them to be."


Thanks Nevada Chuck and that's a great quote. Much appreciated.
Brilliant Quote - That one I am going to remember for ever - how true. I guess you have to get burned a few times to appreciate the validity of that quote. thanks.

Cheers,
Take 5

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Mar 24, 2013 14:42:31   #
singleviking Loc: Lake Sebu Eco Park, Philippines
 
JR1 wrote:
Is there not a "trading standards" in the US as there is here where they can be reported


JR1,
These offers for paid publishing are not illegal. Anyone can pay to be published in a limited printing. There are scams like this for photography, short stories, poems, and anything else that can be printed. Most of them do not have a distribution or subscriber list other than to those who paid their fee for submission. If you treasure your money, RUN. There is no benefit other than being able to tell others that your work has been published and the ego boost this gives you. This is not just MHO, but the opinion of the Federal Trade Commission regarding any author or artist paid publication of work. Legitimate publications require a submission of work and art department staff or publisher's review and do not require any application or fee payment by the photographer, artist or author.
Typically, these offers for publication are accomplished on poor quality stock, cheap binding work and little to no distribution other than to those who paid their fees and then continue by telling you they intend to print the work in future publications and ask for further fees. It's an endless circle once you fall for the first scam.
Buy a hair brush if you want to stroke your ego. It's cheaper and you get better results.

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Mar 24, 2013 15:17:41   #
Larrie Loc: NE Ohio
 
al davis wrote:


Right! I can get you in the publication fo only $700 Bunky!

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Mar 24, 2013 16:29:10   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
Keep your inner sceptic going. Many years ago, I got the same message that one of my photos was accepted in a great publication. I had to order the book for $50.00, inflation has made that more expensive. The price and the conditions were not worth the money it was printed on. I never took up the ridiculous offer and this one really says SCAM. If they tell you that this is a good offer, well, tell them what they could do with the offer. But do not fall for it.

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Mar 24, 2013 16:35:02   #
katkase Loc: Grapeview, WA
 
katkase wrote:
Keep your inner sceptic going. Many years ago, I got the same message that one of my photos was accepted in a great publication. I had to order the book for $50.00, inflation has made that more expensive. The price and the conditions were not worth the money it was printed on. I never took up the ridiculous offer and this one really says SCAM. If they tell you that this is a good offer, well, tell them what they could do with the offer. But do not fall for it.



There are sites where you can publish your own books for pennies or pounds on the dollar or pound. You control who sees your work. I made $200.00 for a sale of one of my photos on Flickr site. If you really have a photo that is worth while, you will be paid. You can even sell your own works on sites like Amazon, and if you know of other people with like interests double up and make your own photo book. I too am a amateur but a lot of my photos are used on many websites as my photos are under the creative commons license. But over time, I have gotten offers to be paid for a particular photo to be published.

www.flickr.com/photos/kitkaphotogirl

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Mar 24, 2013 17:44:05   #
Ralloh Loc: Ohio
 
scruffyherbert wrote:
Firstly I apologise if this is a common occurrence on UH.

What's happened is that I received a very nice invite form someone connected with World Wide Art Books in Santa Barbara. A girl said she'd seen my photos on a photo sharing website I upload too and that she really liked them. I was asked if I would like them submitted to her editor to see if there were any that he would like to include in the upcoming publication of "International Masters of Photography". Since then I have been accepted for submission.

Now it was stressed that there would be an inclusion fee which varied from $800 up to £3000-$4000 depending on what spread I had in the book and how many pages etc. This seemed a bit odd (but not scamming odd) as I thought if somebody really thought a photographers work was worthy it would be included for less or for free. This could just be me being completely naive though.

Being a keen amateur I was obviously very flattered to be invited, but there's just a little nagging doubt. The cynic in me took over from the flattered!

If I was to be included I can't see how it would benefit me apart from vanity. I'm still very much teaching myself photography and feel I'm improving but what would I get from the book?

I'd really appreciate any comments of similar experiences or from anyone who has indeed invested in this sort of opportunity to see how you got on.

I hate being cynical all the time, but unfortunately the world we live in..........

I must point out that there has been no pressure whatsoever and any payments have been mentioned to me upfront. The emails have been very friendly. There is a website and the it looks completely genuine. I just don't know what I would get from the investment if I was to stump up some cash (which I don't have spare anyway so it would be a gamble).

Thanks in advance for any comments, advice, help :thumbup:
Firstly I apologise if this is a common occurrence... (show quote)


Have you ever heard the ads for the International Star Registry? That's the one where you pay some money to have a star named after you or someone of your choosing. Guess what the ISR is? Nothing! Oh it exists, but, it is useless and means absolutely nothing to anyone. Believe me, hundreds of years from now, when we're whizzing around in our Star Trek spaceships, no Spock like guy will grab the ISR and say, "Captain, we're coming close to scuffyherbert's star".

The moral of this story is, I'm sure the International Masters of Photography is just about as valuable as the International Star Registry. In other words, I'm sure it's quite worthless and is designed only to separate you from your money. Keep it in your wallet.

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Mar 24, 2013 18:19:23   #
mickeys Loc: Fort Wayne, IN
 
you should be paid for the publishing of your photo's. it's not your publishing company and your not paying a photographer . don't fall for it.

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Mar 24, 2013 18:35:14   #
Take 5 Cinema Loc: Canoe BC
 
Actually, I am glad you brought up this thread at the possibility of sounding stupid. What I have learned from all here who responded is damn good material. And a fantastic quote. The power of the masses in action. LOVE IT!

Thanks again for being honest.

Cheers,
Take 5

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Mar 24, 2013 19:00:58   #
CardinalLady Loc: Hoosier
 
anotherview wrote:
Thanks for kind comments re my AI pictures. I hope you may visit AI some day with your camera in hand. Note: Depending when you visit, because of high demand, you will have to make a reservation for a ferry seat 2 or 3 days in advance. You can make the reservation online. Interesting fact for AI: The "Rock" has virtually no native vegetation; instead, the inmates planted and tended the plant life, all of which was imported. Today, volunteers tend the planter areas.
anotherview wrote:
Thank you for your kind comments on my picture. AI a place of peculiar charm. Tourists flock there, transported via ferry from Fisherman's Wharf. Ha, ha. Door knobs? Nope, not that time. I took my pictures during springtime, when AI bloomed during an overcast day. The larger views more or less dictated my photographic efforts there. The planter picture shows a closer look at the plant life. I did take a picture from the interior of the dining area of a barred window. I’ve considered doing a photo book of my AI visit. The flourishing plant life contrasted with the harshness still emanating from the crumbling concrete structures of this historic American prison.

Cardinallady wrote:
anotherview wrote:
Thank you for your critique of my Alcatraz Island picture. Yes, the stuff to the right distracts (somewhat), yet please note this part complements the angled struts of the building walkway to the upper left, framing the picture internally. Let me please also note the structures on AI went in place for a prison, not to please the eye of a photographer. But just for that reason, AI serves as a very photogenic setting with plenty of inherent interest. Call AI ugly but compelling.
Cardinallady wrote:
I like the way all the lines lead to the tower; the curb, the railing, the balcony, roof line. The stuff in the right corner is distracting though. Great sky too! I think it could have been more dramatic if you had moved to the left and forward, dropping lower to the ground.
Thank you for your critique of my Alcatraz Island ... (show quote)


I see what you are saying. I am an "in your face" artist so I go for the dramatic with no question what the main focus is. I can see this was a fantastic photo op, so much to see and focus on... Love the second photo also with the false sense of serenity of the exteriors and water. That smokestack is magnificent! Again the dark, moody sky reminds us this was not a pleasant place. Did you do any close ups of locks, door knobs, etc?
quote=anotherview Thank you for your critique of ... (show quote)
Thank you for your kind comments on my picture. A... (show quote)
Thanks for kind comments re my AI pictures. I hop... (show quote)


Very nice!Looks like they had some great flowers.

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Mar 24, 2013 19:36:52   #
Gifted One Loc: S. E. Idaho
 
Well they have not so far as to ask to take nude pictures of your wife. Just kidding, but as has been pointed out people get used. Not anyones fault. If you are not a business person or business savey you (I) become fouder. That is why we need backup with our UHH people and buddies.

Good luck

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Mar 24, 2013 19:37:49   #
scruffyherbert Loc: St Ives, UK
 
Take 5 Cinema wrote:
Actually, I am glad you brought up this thread at the possibility of sounding stupid. What I have learned from all here who responded is damn good material. And a fantastic quote. The power of the masses in action. LOVE IT!

Thanks again for being honest.

Cheers,
Take 5


If it was any other subject I would've just ignored it, but being relatively new to photography I thought it best to seek out some opinions from seasoned experts. Looks like its not an uncommon occurrence. I'm glad if it's raised the issue of these particular books and websites just in case anyone falls for the flattery :thumbup:

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Mar 24, 2013 19:45:54   #
0627ramram32 Loc: Orange County, CA, USA
 
You already said it: they would get the money, and you would get the dubious pleasure of buying your way into print.

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Mar 24, 2013 19:48:42   #
scruffyherbert Loc: St Ives, UK
 
Gifted One wrote:
Well they have not so far as to ask to take nude pictures of your wife. Just kidding, but as has been pointed out people get used. Not anyones fault. If you are not a business person or business savey you (I) become fouder. That is why we need backup with our UHH people and buddies.

Good luck


Too true. There's shiesters everywhere trying to get a person's cash but thankfully decent forums like UH are valuable sources of help and information.

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Mar 24, 2013 20:35:39   #
bbaker123
 
I live in Santa Barbara, and took a drive by the building. It's one of those places that rents out (2) conference rooms and takes messages. Not big enough for publishing...

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Mar 24, 2013 20:46:22   #
Take 5 Cinema Loc: Canoe BC
 
bbaker123 wrote:
I live in Santa Barbara, and took a drive by the building. It's one of those places that rents out (2) conference rooms and takes messages. Not big enough for publishing...
Ahh the power of the dedicated, well oiled, team work group. Mr sheister demon -you are BUSTED!

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