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My D300 and 500mm Nikkor gone, 45ft into the ocean
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Mar 12, 2013 16:24:25   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
The two cameras essentially arrive at the same end result but have different ways of getting there. My intended point (and question to Marty) was since that neither camera has any "functional" low pass filter, both should be - in some instances - susceptible to moire effects. However, he was only worried about it on the D800E, not the D7100. It made me wonder if he noticed the D7100 does not have an AA filter.[/quote]
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No, I hadn't known that before mentioning my camera considerations.

It's so easy to concern yourself with advertised technology that our eyes might not readily detect or be visible in our non-professional images we make.

Maybe,....Only your dog can see the differences :-)

The quality of either camera I am sure exceeds anything I will be doing.

As I had said,...had I not lost the D300,....I'd have kept shooting with it,....it met my needs quite well.
I'd gained familiarity with the D300 and where it lacked,...in my opinion,......for me, High ISO and night exposures were those areas.

It will be extremely interesting now to make comparisons with the camera I select.
Marty

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Mar 12, 2013 16:27:28   #
MagicFad Loc: Clermont, FL
 
Rest in peace O trusty camera. Remember, nothing will ever replace it but you can get another to carry on the tradition. My condolences.
PS You are a very brave man to go where you went!

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Mar 12, 2013 16:31:29   #
Screamin Scott Loc: Marshfield Wi, Baltimore Md, now Dallas Ga
 
The D800E will feel more like the D300 in your hands than the D7100 would...The D7100 isn't a replacement for the D300/s, thus isn't built to the same specs. Some features are better, others are not.

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Mar 12, 2013 16:41:55   #
Indiana Al
 
Everything happens for a reason, maybe there is a new D800 waiting for you, sorry about your gear tho.
I also have D300 and am interested in what accessories you may have for sale, when your ready.
Indiana Al

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Mar 12, 2013 17:05:30   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
Brucej67 wrote:
I understand what you meant and was only being technically correct, as I was also corrected on this myself and that is how I found out. Does it matter, no, but it is an interesting point to ponder. My bet was that Nikon was testing the market with the D800e and found there was enough interest in the feature to introduce it in the DX market. I have the D800 and wanted the D800e for this feature so now I can spend $2,000 less and get it.


CSI Dave wrote:
Brucej67 wrote:
This might help:
Actually, the D800e still has a filter in place over the sensor, but the composition of the layers of the filter is altered to reverses the effect of a standard OLPF, yielding increased resolution. Physically, there is essentially no difference in the sensor/filter assembly other than the layers of the filter that cause it to function differently (as if it weren't there).

See: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features01.htm#a12 scroll down about half-way to the section with the heading "-Functions of low pas filter."

The D7100 is different - it actually does not include any filter. See:
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/features02.htm#a6

Hope this helps you understand.

CSI Dave wrote:
Martys wrote:


I'm looking at the D7100,..to be released within a week,.......or the D800,....am undecided.

Marty


I'm curious why the lack of an AA filter in the D7100 doesn't seem to worry you about moire, but the D800E does?

And my tongue-in-cheek comment is that I'm surprised no one has chimed in yet to say "...if only you would have invested in a better tripod...". Seriously, though, I'm sorry to hear about your equipment, that is a real bummer.
quote=Martys br br I'm looking at the D7100,..t... (show quote)
This might help: br Actually, the D800e still has ... (show quote)


Yes, I understand all that. The two cameras essentially arrive at the same end result but have different ways of getting there. My intended point (and question to Marty) was since that neither camera has any "functional" low pass filter, both should be - in some instances - susceptible to moire effects. However, he was only worried about it on the D800E, not the D7100. It made me wonder if he noticed the D7100 does not have an AA filter.
quote=Brucej67 This might help: br Actually, the ... (show quote)
I understand what you meant and was only being tec... (show quote)


You're right, definitely interesting to ponder. I know I would be quite happy with your D800 (well, one just like it - I don't want to take yours :) ) or the D800E, but I don't see that happening for me. The wife would probably leave me after I had to revamp my entire lens collection. I'm anxious to see what people think about the D7100 without the AA filter, that could be a viable option for me.

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Mar 12, 2013 17:08:46   #
CSI Dave Loc: Arizona
 
Martys wrote:

No, I hadn't known that before mentioning my camera considerations.

It's so easy to concern yourself with advertised technology that our eyes might not readily detect or be visible in our non-professional images we make.

Maybe,....Only your dog can see the differences :-)

The quality of either camera I am sure exceeds anything I will be doing.

As I had said,...had I not lost the D300,....I'd have kept shooting with it,....it met my needs quite well.
I'd gained familiarity with the D300 and where it lacked,...in my opinion,......for me, High ISO and night exposures were those areas.

It will be extremely interesting now to make comparisons with the camera I select.
Marty
br No, I hadn't known that before mentioning my c... (show quote)


My dog is more interested in bacon than my photos. Photos of bacon don't interest him either.

I had a D300 for a couple years, really enjoyed it. Keep us posted on your replacement choices.

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Mar 12, 2013 17:09:53   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Possibly, but he will need to switch from DX to FX in all gear and lenses. I have both and there are times when I favor my D7000 over the D800 or D2X. I have the D7100 on order and I only shoot FX lenses through the DX bodies.

Screamin Scott wrote:
The D800E will feel more like the D300 in your hands than the D7100 would...The D7100 isn't a replacement for the D300/s, thus isn't built to the same specs. Some features are better, others are not.

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Mar 12, 2013 17:12:27   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Marty...fyi...The new D7100 lacks the optical low pass filter all together, much like the D800e, where it is "cancelled out." I have the D800, and while I don't shoot extreme telephoto lenses, I've found the resolution to be highly superior to the D7000's 16mp. If you have the cash, I'd go for either the D800 or D800e. Skip the D600. Although it's a great camera, you'll need a rugged camera like the D800.

As far as insurance goes, I've been able to insure $3000 of equipment for $5/mo. as a rider to my State Farm homeowners policy. It's my understanding that $5000 in coverage would not be that much more expensive. It covers all kinds of loss or damage and there is no deductible. You might check to see what kind of coverage you can get through your homeowners with an add-on rider.

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Mar 12, 2013 17:14:06   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
Understand what you mean, when I mentioned that I was interested in the D800e my wife looked at me then looked at the kitchen knives, so I favored the fact that living was more important to me. :mrgreen:

CSI Dave wrote:
Brucej67 wrote:
I understand what you meant and was only being technically correct, as I was also corrected on this myself and that is how I found out. Does it matter, no, but it is an interesting point to ponder. My bet was that Nikon was testing the market with the D800e and found there was enough interest in the feature to introduce it in the DX market. I have the D800 and wanted the D800e for this feature so now I can spend $2,000 less and get it.


CSI Dave wrote:
Brucej67 wrote:
This might help:
Actually, the D800e still has a filter in place over the sensor, but the composition of the layers of the filter is altered to reverses the effect of a standard OLPF, yielding increased resolution. Physically, there is essentially no difference in the sensor/filter assembly other than the layers of the filter that cause it to function differently (as if it weren't there).

See: http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d800/features01.htm#a12 scroll down about half-way to the section with the heading "-Functions of low pas filter."

The D7100 is different - it actually does not include any filter. See:
http://imaging.nikon.com/lineup/dslr/d7100/features02.htm#a6

Hope this helps you understand.

CSI Dave wrote:
Martys wrote:


I'm looking at the D7100,..to be released within a week,.......or the D800,....am undecided.

Marty


I'm curious why the lack of an AA filter in the D7100 doesn't seem to worry you about moire, but the D800E does?

And my tongue-in-cheek comment is that I'm surprised no one has chimed in yet to say "...if only you would have invested in a better tripod...". Seriously, though, I'm sorry to hear about your equipment, that is a real bummer.
quote=Martys br br I'm looking at the D7100,..t... (show quote)
This might help: br Actually, the D800e still has ... (show quote)


Yes, I understand all that. The two cameras essentially arrive at the same end result but have different ways of getting there. My intended point (and question to Marty) was since that neither camera has any "functional" low pass filter, both should be - in some instances - susceptible to moire effects. However, he was only worried about it on the D800E, not the D7100. It made me wonder if he noticed the D7100 does not have an AA filter.
quote=Brucej67 This might help: br Actually, the ... (show quote)
I understand what you meant and was only being tec... (show quote)


You're right, definitely interesting to ponder. I know I would be quite happy with your D800 (well, one just like it - I don't want to take yours :) ) or the D800E, but I don't see that happening for me. The wife would probably leave me after I had to revamp my entire lens collection. I'm anxious to see what people think about the D7100 without the AA filter, that could be a viable option for me.
quote=Brucej67 I understand what you meant and wa... (show quote)

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Mar 12, 2013 17:19:06   #
Brucej67 Loc: Cary, NC
 
I agree with you, if he can afford it. Another question would be what is his current assortment of lenses and does he need to replace any as that will also add to the cost.

SteveR wrote:
Marty...fyi...The new D7100 lacks the optical low pass filter all together, much like the D800e, where it is "cancelled out." I have the D800, and while I don't shoot extreme telephoto lenses, I've found the resolution to be highly superior to the D7000's 16mp. If you have the cash, I'd go for either the D800 or D800e. Skip the D600. Although it's a great camera, you'll need a rugged camera like the D800.

As far as insurance goes, I've been able to insure $3000 of equipment for $5/mo. as a rider to my State Farm homeowners policy. It's my understanding that $5000 in coverage would not be that much more expensive. It covers all kinds of loss or damage and there is no deductible. You might check to see what kind of coverage you can get through your homeowners with an add-on rider.
Marty...fyi...The new D7100 lacks the optical low ... (show quote)

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Mar 12, 2013 18:03:59   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
SteveR wrote:
Marty...fyi...The new D7100 lacks the optical low pass filter all together, much like the D800e, where it is "cancelled out." I have the D800, and while I don't shoot extreme telephoto lenses, I've found the resolution to be highly superior to the D7000's 16mp. If you have the cash, I'd go for either the D800 or D800e. Skip the D600. Although it's a great camera, you'll need a rugged camera like the D800.

As far as insurance goes, I've been able to insure $3000 of equipment for $5/mo. as a rider to my State Farm homeowners policy. It's my understanding that $5000 in coverage would not be that much more expensive. It covers all kinds of loss or damage and there is no deductible. You might check to see what kind of coverage you can get through your homeowners with an add-on rider.
Marty...fyi...The new D7100 lacks the optical low ... (show quote)

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Thanks Steve,
Great info,...

Our situation is a little different though,...My wife and I are considered professional photographers because we make our income in photography,.... due to our publishing a photography magazine primarily.
We also have Helen's and my computers, all office equipment as well as Helen's and my photo equipment insured on the same policy.
So our premium output was a consideration when we under valued select pieces of our gear. No crystal ball here, unfortunately.

Neither of us sell "any" photography AT ALL,...no income there.
I consider myself an advanced enthusiast at best.
Sure I'd like to sell a few images here and there,.who wouldn't,......I'd like to win the lottery too.

We do work with many professionals who write columns, submit articles and images for consideration in the magazine.

As I had mentioned on page 2 of this post,...we've been NANPA members for 11 years and met our insurance needs thru them.

One shoe doesn't fit everyones needs.

Listening to everyone here on UHH opens many up possibilities thanks to the cumulative experiences of all participating.
Not one of us can know all options available on anything,..how often do you see something better,..after you've make your best shot decision and parted with some serious $$$$.

I try to learn from others experiences,...and similarly share mine for others to do the same.

I really am enjoying all the comments and interest this has generated.
Thank you all.
Marty

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Mar 12, 2013 18:17:05   #
Ahchu Loc: Northeast PA
 
Sorry for your lost...I understand how you felt when you heard the crash.. good luck

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Mar 12, 2013 18:25:14   #
Martys Loc: Lubec, Maine
 
Ahchu wrote:
Sorry for your lost...I understand how you felt when you heard the crash.. good luck


Thanks Ahchu,
Nice of you to comment.
Didn't mean to set an example for others to learn from,...the feedback is very good, lots of options ind info to consider.
Marty

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Mar 12, 2013 18:28:20   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
Marty....I forgot to tell you how much I enjoyed your photos. I'm stuck in landlocked Dallas and miss the opportunity to take such shots. Just be careful of those ledges. Lenses are replaceable. Good editors are hard to come by.

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Mar 12, 2013 18:33:06   #
preciousmetalairracing Loc: Reno, Nv
 
As I was reading your message , I could just feel it in my own bones. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW. I'm really sorry! However, when you get ready to sell some of those items let me know. I have a D300 and have been extremely happy with it. Now, if you will excuse me, I think I'm going into another room and cry and mourn for your loss. O(

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