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Mar 6, 2013 13:27:51   #
ted45 Loc: Delaware
 
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:
ted45 wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:

This is what the price of "WAR' really boils down to. It was easy for Bush to take us to war so Cheny's group (Haliburton) could capitalize on huge profits and they still are. They no doubt will reap huge rewards when we pull out because Haliburton will remaind there to clean up. This is not just a war it is corporate greed. At the end of World War ll our government pushed off of ships huge amounts of material into the seas to lighten their loads on their way back to the U.S. this is not new. So do you see how costly "WAR' can be???? We so dearly now will have to take care of all of our brave men and women with healthcare costs too. They so do deserve all the healtcare services we can provide. Again we need to think twice before we get into another conflict in the future. It just amazes me to hear Sen. McCain and Sen. Grahm advocate we should get more involved in Syria. This country can't sustain another "WAR" on foriegn soils. We need to prepare for one on our soils, one that we will need to build up our country.
br This is what the price of "WAR' really bo... (show quote)


Bush, Bush Bush: a tired and worn song. We attacked Afghanistan after 911 because the twin towers fell and 2,996 innocent people died on American soil. The people of the United States of America wanted revenge. THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WANTED REVENGE. Congress, both parties, voted 100% to attack. Bush had no choice. You were one of those people. It is remarkable how you libs can revise your memories to replay whatever supports your current cockeyed view of the world.

We the people are all responsible for Afghanistan. All of us share the blame, not just one man. Find another tune to whistle. Stop disrespecting the memory of those 2,996 people.
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 br This is what the price ... (show quote)


We did what we were after and got Bin laden and now it's time we come home and do rebuilding here and not in Afganistan. they will just take us for a sucker in the future anyway. Look at their Poppy Fields; will they ever stop growing and selling herion?? Hell no, they are using us for a sucker, get out now before we spend another year of worthless effort. Let them fight their own war.
quote=ted45 quote=Hunter Lou 1947 br This is wh... (show quote)


Yes we did what we wanted to do and got Bin Laden. The plan put into motion was from the Bush administration. Obama took the credit. I'm OK with that.

We are still in Afghanistan and have been since 2008 on Obamas watch. Even the withdrawal is based on a plan put into motion by the Bush administration. These guys that want to blame him alone for the entire Afghan war are delusional. Obama campaigned on the promise that he would end the wars. He has done nothing and taken none of the blame. How does that work?

You want to discuss Iraq, then we have a whole other discussion.

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Mar 6, 2013 13:48:20   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
SR71BLACKBIRD wrote:
What do you mean your president last time I l looked the sitting president is OUR president. Yes some demo's voted to go but only after THE GREAT LIAR BUSH so very desperatlely wanted too. And by the way leaving equipment behind is not new, not that I agree.


LARRYR. wrote:
rook2c4 wrote:
We should retrieve it, then send Bush the bill. Bush is the reckless idiot that put all that stuff there in the first place. And I'm certain he has enough private funds to cover a good portion of the cost.


We better not wait to long to get rid of this stuff, because
as long as it takes Obama to make up his mind to do any
thing, it will cost us( the tax payers) tripple the amount
of money. By the way, it wasn't only Bush who wanted to
send troops over seas, don't forget your president OK'ed
them as well , as many of other DEMO'S did.
quote=rook2c4 We should retrieve it, then send Bu... (show quote)
What do you mean your president last time I l look... (show quote)


" The Great Liar Bush" wasn't he your president at the time
and wasn't Obama one of those who OKed his ( Bushs)
request. And now the GOP are being criticised by the left
for not doing what the Demo. did and fall for Obama's
lies. Watching the news last night, air ports( no long lines)
air flights( all on schedule unless due to weather) White
House tour cancelled( almost all if not all tour guides are
done by volunteers) and on the economy Obama still
insist " It's not my fault, it's the other guy's" yet in the
eyes of some He administration just keeps looking better.
Note: Facts were provided by a reliable source, FOX NEWS

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Mar 6, 2013 13:55:28   #
LARRYR. Loc: Saint Martinville, La.
 
dirtpusher wrote:
obama got stock market roarin wait an see. lol


You're right, just wait and see. Knowest the price of
your gas,, food, medical and utilities lately, oh I forgot
it was only the president's fault while Bush was in office.

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Mar 6, 2013 13:57:56   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
LARRYR. wrote:
rook2c4 wrote:
We should retrieve it, then send Bush the bill. Bush is the reckless idiot that put all that stuff there in the first place. And I'm certain he has enough private funds to cover a good portion of the cost.


We better not wait to long to get rid of this stuff, because
as long as it takes Obama to make up his mind to do any
thing, it will cost us( the tax payers) tripple the amount
of money. By the way, it wasn't only Bush who wanted to
send troops over seas, don't forget your president OK'ed
them as well , as many of other DEMO'S did.
quote=rook2c4 We should retrieve it, then send Bu... (show quote)


Oh Larry, you are so right, but trying to get the libs to admit that part of the story just isn't going to happen. They forget that he had the backing by most democrats as well at that time!

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Mar 6, 2013 14:02:46   #
Penny MG Loc: Fresno, Texas
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
pounder35 wrote:
I would assume this would be left to the military to decide. Why don't we ask Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Iran and the rest of our buddies to help move it?

_____________________________________________

Obama Ready to Destroy $36 Billion of Military Assets

_____________________________________________


The Obama White House is resigned to losing up to $36 billion worth of military hardware when it pulls out of Afghanistan.

A total of 750,000 pieces of major military hardware are in the country and the cost of getting it out is seen as insurmoutable.

That means either leaving it, or destroying it so it doesn't fall into the hands of potential enemies, reports Face The Facts USA, a project of the George Washington University,

"Transport is hard in landlocked, mountainous Afghanistan. But leaving it behind intact means the wrong hands could get hold of it," says the website. "So is it best to torch $36 billion in U.S. assets?"

The cost of transferring the equipment to another U.S. agency or bringing it out of Afghanistan, is seen as a prohibitive $5.7 billion, which means it will probably be lost to U.S. taxpayers for ever.

The equipment includes trucks, aircraft, and armored vehicles — most of which are controlled by the Army. A report by the Government Accountability Office said there are 50,000 vehicles and 90,000 shipping containers of materiel in Afghanistan.

Most U.S. troops are due to leave Afghanistan by the end of next year.
I would assume this would be left to the military ... (show quote)


We will probably spend $40 billion to destroy it... seems to be our government's way.
quote=pounder35 I would assume this would be left... (show quote)


They let the lazy people who refuse to work figure this one out. Tell them if they can get it home, they can melt it down and keep all the procedes. After all, we should recycle. Why the lazy, welfare people you ask? because it has always been said that if there is a fast easy way to do something (whether correctly or not) a lazy person will find that way. They've figured out how to soak the system, so they are not stupid....just lazy.

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Mar 6, 2013 14:11:04   #
Raider Fan Loc: Lake County, IL.
 
rook2c4 wrote:
We should retrieve it, then send Bush the bill. Bush is the reckless idiot that put all that stuff there in the first place. And I'm certain he has enough private funds to cover a good portion of the cost.


You are and idiot!!

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Mar 6, 2013 14:48:13   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
well kinda like a president cnt do much with out congress. congress cant even write they own bills, have to have lobbyist lawers write the bills.an people are havin problems beliven corparation lobbyist are runnun this country.

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Mar 6, 2013 14:55:30   #
GHO Loc: Rock # 3
 
Ted45 writes
There were a lot of heavy weapons destroyed on land also instead of being moved out. It was nowhere near as bad as what is being proposed in Afghanistan but just another example of a war being run by politicians instead of the military.
Ted please try to be objective: following the Tet offensive in Nam the US was trying desperately to just get the troops out with their shorts still on. There was no conceivable way to "move out the hardware".
You are entitled to any political view you want to espouse but let's not try to rewrite history. In doing so you put yourself in the same class as the politicians you berate.

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Mar 6, 2013 14:56:04   #
TrainNut Loc: Ridin' the rails
 
dirtpusher wrote:
obama got stock market roarin wait an see. lol

Wait and see. All the billionaires are taking their money out of the stock market. It will collapse again. They know what is going on.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:02:22   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
K2mbs wrote:
dirtpusher wrote:
rook2c4 wrote:
We should retrieve it, then send Bush the bill. Bush is the reckless idiot that put all that stuff there in the first place. And I'm certain he has enough private funds to cover a good portion of the cost.


i'd back bush in afganastan. but iraq no. all that did was destablize middle east.


True, the middle East was "stable" before then. Are you a mental patient?
Saddam and sons were raping, gassing, and killing his own people by the thousands at will,..... or for not "voting" for him in an "open" election.
We liberated a country from a dictator and tyranny....only to groom our own here like idiots.
quote=dirtpusher quote=rook2c4 We should retriev... (show quote)


By your standards, the mental patient must be you. Saddam killed a few thousand people, partly to keep himself in power, but also to cooperate with American policy. Before the American blows against Iraq, under Saddam it was the most prosperous Arab nation, had the most advanced right for women, and the highest percentage of people with advanced degrees in the Arab world. After repeated pounding by all American presidents since Bush I, Iraq now has a collapsed economy, women are behind the veil, up to three million are dead, and millions more, especially nearly all the intelligencia emigrated to other countries. The US liberated no one from anything, but someone liberated you from the ability to think beyond prefabricated conclusions handed to you by corporate media lap dogs.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:18:48   #
PNagy Loc: Missouri City, Texas
 
ted45 wrote:
Hunter Lou 1947 wrote:

This is what the price of "WAR' really boils down to. It was easy for Bush to take us to war so Cheny's group (Haliburton) could capitalize on huge profits and they still are. They no doubt will reap huge rewards when we pull out because Haliburton will remaind there to clean up. This is not just a war it is corporate greed. At the end of World War ll our government pushed off of ships huge amounts of material into the seas to lighten their loads on their way back to the U.S. this is not new. So do you see how costly "WAR' can be???? We so dearly now will have to take care of all of our brave men and women with healthcare costs too. They so do deserve all the healtcare services we can provide. Again we need to think twice before we get into another conflict in the future. It just amazes me to hear Sen. McCain and Sen. Grahm advocate we should get more involved in Syria. This country can't sustain another "WAR" on foriegn soils. We need to prepare for one on our soils, one that we will need to build up our country.
br This is what the price of "WAR' really bo... (show quote)


Bush, Bush Bush: a tired and worn song. We attacked Afghanistan after 911 because the twin towers fell and 2,996 innocent people died on American soil. The people of the United States of America wanted revenge. THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WANTED REVENGE. Congress, both parties, voted 100% to attack. Bush had no choice. You were one of those people. It is remarkable how you libs can revise your memories to replay whatever supports your current cockeyed view of the world.

We the people are all responsible for Afghanistan. All of us share the blame, not just one man. Find another tune to whistle. Stop disrespecting the memory of those 2,996 people.
quote=Hunter Lou 1947 br This is what the price ... (show quote)


It is amazing how well you are able to present history in accordance with Bushistic dogma. Everyone did not want the Bush wars. As a matter of fact, they were protested more before their onset than any other previous wars.

Bush did not prove his case about who had committed the 9-11 attacks. A few facts you need to consider about them:

1. Structural steel, such as that used in the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center melts at 2750 degrees F.

2. Hydrocarbon fires cannot create.heat greater than 1700 degrees F, some 1000 degrees cooler than what it would have taken to melt the steel frame in the towers.

3. The buildings fell as if they had been subjected to a planned implosion.

4. Nothing falls like a planned implosion, but a planned implosion.

5. Pyrite, unlike a burning hydrocarbon, is hot enough, and concussive enough to melt structural steel.

6. Anyone climbing into the frame of the building to set explosives would be suspected on site, unless it was the official security provider of the buildings.

7. Head of security for the 9-11 complex before the implosion was Marvin Bush, the presidents younger brother. He resigned with enough gap between 9-11 and his tenure to deflect most suspicion.

8. The South Tower imploded before the North Tower, even though the North Tower had been burning for about an hour longer, and most of the fuel in the plane that hit the South Tower burned outside the building in a huge fireball.

9. The major shareholders of the World Trade Center Complex met in Building #7 the day before the crime and sold 100% of their shares.

10. Building #7 tumbled down in an implosion 8 hours after the Twin Towers, even though it sported only a faint trail of smoke caused by debris that had fallen into it. Thus the evidence of the meeting before was destroyed.

11. Some five miles away from the scene of the crime there was a meeting of the criminal invest organization called the Carlisle Group. It included Bush's father, Caspar Weinberger, Bush I's Secretary of Defense, some Columbian drug lords, and 24 Bin Ladens.

12. On September 12, the Bin Ladens were rounded up on orders of George W. Bush and flown out of the country before the FBI and the CIA could ask them any questions.

13. In the history of steel-framed skyscrapers, not a single one ever imploded because of fire, even though several had hotter flames than the Twin Towers.

14. In 1977, when Bush was about to bankrupt Arbusto Energy, the first corporation he managed into failure, he was bailed out with a huge infusion of cash from Salem BinLaden, Osama's favorite uncle.

15. When Bush was informed of the 9-11 crimes he was in a Florida school house reading the most complex book he had ever undertaken MY PET GOAT. He did not look astonished. Nor did he decide to move out of the location. If no one knew who had committed the crimes, it would be reasonable to assume the nation was under attack, and that the major leaders were in danger. His location was known world wide. The Secret Service is trained to protect the president, even if the president does not agree with their tactics. For example, if shots are fired, they remove the president from danger, even if the president treats it casually, or resists being removed from the scene. The Secret Service did nothing, as Bush continued to read to elementary students for some 22 minutes after being informed of the problem.

"Stop disrespecting the memory of those 2,996 people." We may presume you mean the ones killed in the 9-11 attacks. This statement of yours is unadulterated propaganda. It attempts to shame people into conforming to your interpretation by invoking the sacrosanct memory of the dead. You expect all discussion to end, as did Bush, by claiming or implying that anyone who contested the official conspiracy theory was on the side of the terrorists.

Your version of respecting the 2,996 who died is to kill many more in revenge, without much concern that a vast majority of the victims of our "revenge" had nothing to do with 9-11. Perhaps you would consider maturing in your thinking. Instead of regurgitating the propaganda reasons for our wars, I suggest you google the words "pipeline" and "Afghanistan" together and use the results to educate yourself in realpolitik, 21st century style.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:22:48   #
Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA
 
pounder35 wrote:
I would assume this would be left to the military to decide. Why don't we ask Egypt, Syria, Pakistan, Iran and the rest of our buddies to help move it?

_____________________________________________

Obama Ready to Destroy $36 Billion of Military Assets

_____________________________________________


The Obama White House is resigned to losing up to $36 billion worth of military hardware when it pulls out of Afghanistan.

A total of 750,000 pieces of major military hardware are in the country and the cost of getting it out is seen as insurmoutable.

That means either leaving it, or destroying it so it doesn't fall into the hands of potential enemies, reports Face The Facts USA, a project of the George Washington University,

"Transport is hard in landlocked, mountainous Afghanistan. But leaving it behind intact means the wrong hands could get hold of it," says the website. "So is it best to torch $36 billion in U.S. assets?"

The cost of transferring the equipment to another U.S. agency or bringing it out of Afghanistan, is seen as a prohibitive $5.7 billion, which means it will probably be lost to U.S. taxpayers for ever.

The equipment includes trucks, aircraft, and armored vehicles — most of which are controlled by the Army. A report by the Government Accountability Office said there are 50,000 vehicles and 90,000 shipping containers of materiel in Afghanistan.

Most U.S. troops are due to leave Afghanistan by the end of next year.
I would assume this would be left to the military ... (show quote)


What do you expect from a gutless wonder that's supposed to be leader of the free world? This guy ran on a platform as being the first anti-capitalist president as a candidate that represents a capitalist society.

Dumb down the voting public through government programs from cradle to grave at tax payers expense, the NEA (so-called public education) and the mass media. You get what you deserve.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:30:04   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
TrainNut wrote:
dirtpusher wrote:
obama got stock market roarin wait an see. lol

Wait and see. All the billionaires are taking their money out of the stock market. It will collapse again. They know what is going on.


got to start realizing the are in controll of it. an same ones that built this one up to where it is today. the run the market up to get newbiee's to jump in then they pull out with the newbieees money. stockmarket is not what it was 30 years ago. just like in the 80's 10 people get to gether get a piece of paper saying they have 250,000 head of cattle. get the market down. then they start buying real cattle you can put your hands on. then right before they are fat enough to sell they pull that paper fake 250,000 head of cattle they said they had an say there was a miss count an cattle prices shoot way up just when they got thier real cattle fat an ready to sell.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:32:59   #
dirtpusher Loc: tulsa oklahoma
 
bush wasn't anything but a pawn for oil people an a cocaine addict that wasn't able to fly his airforce reserve fighter in training missions. a coke head.

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Mar 6, 2013 15:40:59   #
JimKing Loc: Salisbury, Maryland USA
 
Robert Graybeal wrote:
Yeah, 36 billion is a lot cheaper than 5.7 billion!


You noticed that too.

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