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Feb 25, 2013 14:58:56   #
Midnight Rider Loc: Alabama
 
F/2.8 is the smaller NUMBER and largest aperture OPENING. F/32 is the larger NUMBER and the smallest aperture OPENING.

I am 100% positive that is what was meant by the previous post.

It is impractical and VERY expensive to make a large range zoom lens that is constant aperture. A 70-200 f/2.8 lens is pretty hefty and expensive. Even a 70-200 f/4 lens is more expensive than the equivalent focal length variable aperture lens. Something like a 70-400 f/2.8 lens would be HUGE and prohibitive in cost for 99.9% of the buying public.

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Feb 25, 2013 16:27:18   #
EnglishBrenda Loc: Kent, England
 
Thanks Pepper, good explanation.

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Feb 25, 2013 18:04:18   #
wjames Loc: Australia
 
sigma is a cheeper lens.

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Feb 25, 2013 19:17:57   #
k.melvyn
 
Hi ladies and gents,newcomer here.Pentax k5.of camra flash
witch one to buy plus any laeds .£200..00 range .Im 71 years old and the wife siad i was to old to start another hobby what dose hall yuo GOOD pepol think .Kind regards to all.PS R L supportee HULL FC

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Feb 25, 2013 19:20:29   #
elie Loc: France
 
k.melvyn wrote:
Hi ladies and gents,newcomer here.Pentax k5.of camra flash
witch one to buy plus any laeds .£200..00 range .Im 71 years old and the wife siad i was to old to start another hobby what dose hall yuo GOOD pepol think .Kind regards to all.PS R L supportee HULL FC


take care of the witch!

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Feb 25, 2013 19:26:34   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
GHK wrote:
It's a difficult point, but true telephoto construction means that the optical centre (or nodal point) of the lens is in front of the first lens element, so you 71 mm is only effective at this point and it is necessary to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Such a diaphragm would not be constrained in diameter.
GHK
There is nothing virtual about the aperture diaphragm in a photographic camera lens. It is physical. It changes diameter by closing or opening blades. If you can see it, it ain't virtual!

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Feb 25, 2013 19:44:23   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
GHK wrote:
Nikonian72 wrote:
JR1 wrote:
Not all zooms change ap that is why they are stated as f2.8 through the range, don't know where you go that from
I understand the theory, but have a different experience in field use. I will explore this a bit more.

Also, for a 200-mm focal length lens (zoom or not) to have an f/2.8 aperture, that aperture will have to measure 71-mm in diameter. That is nearly 3-inches across.


I'm not sure that you've got this right. It's a difficult point, but true telephoto construction means that the optical centre (or nodal point) of the lens is in front of the first lens element, so you 71 mm is only effective at this point and it is necessary to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Such a diaphragm would not be constrained in diameter.
GHK
quote=Nikonian72 quote=JR1 Not all zooms change ... (show quote)


Huh?

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Feb 25, 2013 21:57:06   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
GHK wrote:
Nikonian72 wrote:
JR1 wrote:
Not all zooms change ap that is why they are stated as f2.8 through the range, don't know where you go that from
I understand the theory, but have a different experience in field use. I will explore this a bit more.

Also, for a 200-mm focal length lens (zoom or not) to have an f/2.8 aperture, that aperture will have to measure 71-mm in diameter. That is nearly 3-inches across.


I'm not sure that you've got this right. It's a difficult point, but true telephoto construction means that the optical centre (or nodal point) of the lens is in front of the first lens element, so you 71 mm is only effective at this point and it is necessary to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Such a diaphragm would not be constrained in diameter.
GHK
quote=Nikonian72 quote=JR1 Not all zooms change ... (show quote)


Ummmm, ok.

THC

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Feb 25, 2013 22:17:02   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
GHK wrote:
I'm not sure that you've got this right. It's a difficult point, but true telephoto construction means that the optical centre (or nodal point) of the lens is in front of the first lens element, so you 71 mm is only effective at this point and it is necessary to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Such a diaphragm would not be constrained in diameter. GHK
Ummmm, ok.
THC
Really? You are okay with this?

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Feb 25, 2013 23:01:07   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
GHK wrote:
I'm not sure that you've got this right. It's a difficult point, but true telephoto construction means that the optical centre (or nodal point) of the lens is in front of the first lens element, so you 71 mm is only effective at this point and it is necessary to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Such a diaphragm would not be constrained in diameter. GHK
Ummmm, ok.
THC
Really? You are okay with this?


Initials. <Bazinga>

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Feb 25, 2013 23:06:32   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Initials. <Bazinga>
I am a bit dense. THC?

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Feb 25, 2013 23:08:37   #
LoneRangeFinder Loc: Left field
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Initials. <Bazinga>
I am a bit dense. THC?



Ah sorry...Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the active chemical in cannabis and is one of the oldest hallucinogenic drugs known.

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Feb 25, 2013 23:12:34   #
Nikonian72 Loc: Chico CA
 
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Ah sorry...Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the active chemical in cannabis and is one of the oldest hallucinogenic drugs known.
Now that is funny!

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Feb 26, 2013 05:43:43   #
nat Loc: Martha's Vineyard, MA
 
Nikonian72 wrote:
LoneRangeFinder wrote:
Ah sorry...Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) is the active chemical in cannabis and is one of the oldest hallucinogenic drugs known.
Now that is funny!


I'm still trying to postulate the existence of a virtual diaphragm in thin air. Sounds like a guaranteed pregnancy, to me!

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Feb 26, 2013 05:52:48   #
GHK Loc: The Vale of Eden
 
GHK[/quote]There is nothing virtual about the aperture diaphragm in a photographic camera lens. It is physical. It changes diameter by closing or opening blades. If you can see it, it ain't virtual![/quote]

Yes; I agree that the physical aperture (which must, obviously, be sited within the body of the lens) is limited in diameter, but the virtual, unconstrained aperture is the one whose dimeter should be used in calculation. I did say that it was a difficult point.
GHK

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