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Feb 12, 2013 07:45:35   #
DPFotos Loc: Pembroke, Ma
 
CaptainC wrote:
You want to do professional-level work and you have to ask "what settings?"

If you were ready to do this kind of work you would not have to ask that question.

OK, here is the secret setting....it all depends.

Well, you need to get the flash off the camera, and a way to trigger it, you need reflectors and someone to hold them, you need a few million in liability insurance, a business/tax license. If you expect to get paid for this you should have two cameras. You need to have at LEAST Lightroom and Photoshop Elements and Photoshop is better. You need - probably already have - a computer to handle the retouching.

And you need to know enough about photography that you don't ask, "What settings?"
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Feb 12, 2013 07:54:01   #
katbandit Loc: new york city
 
i didn't get the feeling that he was asking a question that entailed going into a business becoming a professional photographer...i figured that he wanted a starting point on how to take a senior shot of someone...
i would say the same as some of the others..it all depends..the lighting is the most important..are you indoors ...outdoors...is it dark out..etc..simply to take his d7000 and the one 85mm lens and improvise..use a reflector to fill in light ..open the aperture to blur the background..if using a flash make sure it is off the camera..bounce light instead of direct light etc...it is all up to the circumstances..digital is wonderful ..he can look at the result and adjust the photo accordingly ..
i remember asking many so called "stupid" questions too and felt awful if someone knocked me for it...when i started learning photoshop i did the same thing..it takes time to become more intuitive and to know what kind of questions to ask...
im sure buddhaman will build his skills one step at a time..

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Feb 12, 2013 07:58:52   #
skidooman Loc: Minnesota
 
Most (if not all) of us that do photography for a living tend to get a bit defensive when someone words a question(s) like this around a title of "Senior portraits", "weddings" or such. Nothing wrong with circling the wagons.....

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Feb 12, 2013 09:11:57   #
emmons267 Loc: Arizona, Valley of the Sun
 
skidooman wrote:
Most (if not all) of us that do photography for a living tend to get a bit defensive when someone words a question(s) like this around a title of "Senior portraits", "weddings" or such. Nothing wrong with circling the wagons.....


Understood. But, before going to battle stations, take a deep breath, remove the ego from the equation, remember that an amateur isn't impying that it's 'Easy', and then reread the question.

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Feb 12, 2013 09:34:16   #
RustyEire
 
Annie_Girl wrote:
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I do get a little upset when I read posts along the lines of “I just got a DSLR camera, who do I get clients?” or “I have a session on Saturday, what settings do I use?” It seems to be an ongoing theme here and it takes a lot of will power on my part not to be nasty or snarky in replies. It takes a lot more than a new camera and a “passion” to turn your hobby into a business. If it was easy then everyone would do it. . . .


There's a middle ground here, Annie Girl, and I think you found it while the good Captain went a bit over the edge. Yes, it's frustrating when someone seeks advice on how to be a pro portrait artist as quickly and effortlessly as pulling their shiny new Nikon out of its box, but the person who posted on this occasion was obviously not an English speaker, joined UHH just 2 weeks ago & didn't know (& shouldn't be expected to know) the ropes here, looks to me that he was writing from a different culture (not hard to guess with that User Name), was anxious to start and a bit ahead of himself with enthusiasm. Sure. Should he have waited a bit, done a little more background work, observed how things go here? Yeah. But here's how he introduced himself a couple of weeks ago: "Hi, i'm buddha. i'm new to photography. i need alot of help. I would love to learn how to take fantastic and beautiful pictures." Now giving buddhaman a little dose of reality is one thing, but flinging a pail of ice water in his eager face is quite another. The point of UHH is to help photographers find and indulge their passion . . . not drive them out of photography altogether. I'm not saying let's all sing "Kumbayaa" and sing songs of sweet support. Just a little bit of patience and courtesy, that's all. Remonstrate if it's required, but with a gentle and welcoming hand. Not a stinging slap in the face.

Just sayin' . . . .

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Feb 12, 2013 09:47:58   #
Georgia Peddler Loc: Brunswick, GA
 
Oh, Give it up!!!!
Don't you realize that these "pretenders" are just sitting back and laughing their @zzes off as real photogs try to interpret and reply to their idiotic questions?
How about "Heart Surgeon" or "Electronics Engineer" or "Over-the-Road big truck driver" or "Pilot" - could you instruct them on how to enter those fields also?
It is a game with them and it is ever-increasing in frequency on a daily basis.
Just sayin'

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Feb 12, 2013 09:48:50   #
Georgia Peddler Loc: Brunswick, GA
 
Captain - Excellent reply - Straight and to the point.

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Feb 12, 2013 09:49:24   #
Papa Joe Loc: Midwest U.S.
 
buddhaman wrote:
Capt C...I'm so sorry to upset you. I'm truly an amateur. Camera and
Len that I have are from reading this forum and taking advice from it. I
Have no desire to be in business what so ever...I only want to learn to take
Better pictures of my families and friends. I am so regretful in asking this question as to upset you. I will try my best to word my question better in a way not to upset you or anyone else.


Budd, you will soon learn which comments to ignore and those to pay attention to. I did.
It of course would have been more helpful had you gone a bit more in detail about your setup, desires, particular problem, etc. but don't be put-off by the small minority who rule (or think they do) things. The object is to make your question as understandable as possible and hopefully learn some intelligent answers. Stick around... you'll become a bit more 'tough-skinned' and enjoy this otherwise great site.

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Feb 12, 2013 09:51:52   #
Georgia Peddler Loc: Brunswick, GA
 
donrosshill wrote:
CaptainC, Was that snide responce really necessary?
He did not say Professional Portraits. He is simply asking for some general advise. Please cool down.


Snide ResponSe - and yes, that responSe was necessary.
How else will these wannabe's come to realize that photography, like most other venues, is not close to instant success because you have the latest issue from N, C, S?

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Feb 12, 2013 09:55:23   #
cruizer Loc: Bucks Co., Pa. (USA)
 
CaptainC wrote:
OK - as normsImages noted, your post indicated you wanted to to "Senior Portraits," not family stuff. HUGE difference. Here, senior portraits means high school seniors and is something that requires a level of skill well beyond that which is possessed by someone who has to ask, "...what settings."

So, to get back to your question on settings: it depends. You need to read up and study how a camera works and understand exposure. People here seem to like Bryan Peterson's book, "Understanding Exposure." The 85MM 1.4 lens is a wonderful portrait lens.
OK - as normsImages noted, your post indicated you... (show quote)


Hey Captain...I'm also fairly new here and I was really offended by your response. Why not be more civil in your response no matter how you misinterpret the question. Not everyone is an expert as you seem to be. Many of us come to this forum for answers to honest questions. The insulting tone of your response will likely make many more hesitant to pose their questions here. If you're having a bad day, please don't take it out on others asking innocent questions. If you don't like the question, why not just move on without replying. Finally, the most revealing comment you made is that you don't care what forum members think. Wow....I'm sure that attitude makes everyone eager to share their thoughts with you.

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Feb 12, 2013 10:00:27   #
wilsondl2 Loc: Lincoln, Nebraska
 
I would go along with the Captain but he did not go on and tell you what you should do. You do have a great lens for head & shoulder shots. Most group shots your kit lens will work. In outdoor H&S you will want to shot with a wide open aperture that way the back ground will blur and the main focus will be on your subject. If you go out to the train tracks (a siding with no trains) you would want to use a small aperture so everything is in focus. In other words learn to use depth of field to get the effects you want. I would spend a lot of time looking at others works on the computer to get a repertoire of poses. I would even copy (fair use) the ones I liked best and take them to the shoot so you can copy. I would also find some willing soul or souls to spend a few hours with you while you practice. Get books and look on the web for how to do it and Study, Study, Study then Shoot, Shoot, Shoot, or should I say Capture, Capture, Capture, You do not need two cameras to do Portraits, If it breaks you can redo - Weddings are another thing. Good luck with your family pictures and if you like it go on to doing High School Seniors. - Dave

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Feb 12, 2013 10:01:21   #
RustyEire
 
Georgia Peddler wrote:
Oh, Give it up!!!!
Don't you realize that these "pretenders" are just sitting back and laughing their @zzes off as real photogs try to interpret and reply to their idiotic questions?
How about "Heart Surgeon" or "Electronics Engineer" or "Over-the-Road big truck driver" or "Pilot" - could you instruct them on how to enter those fields also?
It is a game with them and it is ever-increasing in frequency on a daily basis.
Just sayin'


Here you go, Annie Girl! This is the ticket. This is the reality check we all need here at UHH. Onnly one problem, though: Georgia Peddler's figured out that buddhaman's just a "pretender" laughing his "azz" off at us poor schmucks trying to provide advice . . . but that GP paranoia is contagious. How do we know that GP's not one of those "pretenders" as well???
As for the continued need for civility, I give you GP, Troll Extraordinaire, as the Prime Paradigm. . . .
Just sayin'. Again.

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Feb 12, 2013 10:04:30   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
you mean experience, experience, experience

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Feb 12, 2013 10:17:30   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
To address the captains response as well as answering the original request. "What setting do I use"


Use the "P" setting.

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Feb 12, 2013 10:35:46   #
Annie_Girl Loc: It's none of your business
 
cruizer wrote:
CaptainC wrote:
OK - as normsImages noted, your post indicated you wanted to to "Senior Portraits," not family stuff. HUGE difference. Here, senior portraits means high school seniors and is something that requires a level of skill well beyond that which is possessed by someone who has to ask, "...what settings."

So, to get back to your question on settings: it depends. You need to read up and study how a camera works and understand exposure. People here seem to like Bryan Peterson's book, "Understanding Exposure." The 85MM 1.4 lens is a wonderful portrait lens.
OK - as normsImages noted, your post indicated you... (show quote)


Hey Captain...I'm also fairly new here and I was really offended by your response. Why not be more civil in your response no matter how you misinterpret the question. Not everyone is an expert as you seem to be. Many of us come to this forum for answers to honest questions. The insulting tone of your response will likely make many more hesitant to pose their questions here. If you're having a bad day, please don't take it out on others asking innocent questions. If you don't like the question, why not just move on without replying. Finally, the most revealing comment you made is that you don't care what forum members think. Wow....I'm sure that attitude makes everyone eager to share their thoughts with you.
quote=CaptainC OK - as normsImages noted, your po... (show quote)


In case you have not figured it out Captain is actually a very talented professional photographer and I believe he also chairs the Now I Lay Me Down To Sleep organization which is a highly respected organization of professional photographers that volunteer their services to parents who have lost their new born infants (I'm sure its a gut turning job, with small children at home I know I could not attempt this job).

Trying to blast him for telling a new photographer that there is more to getting professional looking image than simply taking your shiny new camera out of the box is like telling a 16 year old there is more to driving nascar than passing your learners permit test and borrowing dad's station wagon.

I'm sorry if you are offended, but think of it this way... every time some smuck gets a new camera and posts about opening business, charging people for crappy images and then asks questions about what settings to use, the professionals, like myself and Captain (who is well beyond me in knowledge and skill) are just as offended.

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