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Feb 1, 2013 07:28:15   #
Mag3duces Loc: Cookeville, Tennessee
 
MT Shooter wrote:
I use 2 of them. Its a bit tricky not having the zoom ability sometimes though. Here is a recent post of mine:
http://www.uglyhedgehog.com/t-87468-1.html


Really nice set, MT...

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Feb 1, 2013 07:30:04   #
Mag3duces Loc: Cookeville, Tennessee
 
Bret wrote:
Ok then...here's a few.


Bret really nice, love No. I...

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Feb 1, 2013 07:31:43   #
Anglorod Loc: Cornwall, England
 
Canon EF 400mm 5.6 L prime, great for hand held, & not tooo expensive. I sometimes use a 1.4 extension with it (tape 3 pins)







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Feb 1, 2013 07:38:37   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
Capsurfer wrote:

Can you tell me why you say IS is not needed for BIF photos? Terrific photos by the way!


I always have IS turned off for action such as BIF. I feel it actually interferes with focusing on fast moving subjects.

I mostly only use IS for slow shutter speed stuff.

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Feb 1, 2013 07:41:55   #
Capsurfer Loc: Sydney Australia
 
Thanks Swamp Gator, appreciate the quick reply. Had a look at you website and it is obvious that you don't need to have huge lenses to take great shots, well done, better than that, superb!

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Feb 1, 2013 08:29:41   #
Indrajeet Singh Loc: Goa, India
 
Fergus wrote:
I'm falling in love with prime lenses but I wonder if they work for birding and BIF and other constantly changing views. It's too cold here now to get out and find out myself.


I have used the 300 f4 fitted to a TC 1.4 converter on my D600 for a while now. It is a great lens and produces excellent results. I only ever shoot "Hand Held" with the camera set to spot metering on manual.

There are a couple of points that I need to mention:

1. It is heavy and takes getting used to.
2. That it lacks VR makes the task of hand holding more critical.
3. With the TC fitted it becomes an f5.6. This lens prefers to shoot one stop down on wide open. I recommend minimum an aperture of f6.3 at all times if 7.1 is not possible. You will get sharper images doing this.
4. For quick BiF shots I always have my D7000 with the 70~300 fitted handy, it seems to be faster focussing in situations where urgency is of essence. It also follow focuses very well. Both my D7000 as well as the D600 are set up exactly the same and I use a lot of U1 and U2 in my use of both bodies. I also use the D600 set up for BiF shots when I have time to be prepared, after spotting the bird.
5. It is not uncommon for me to shoot at ISO 6400 because of the very dense forest canopy cover in India. The D600 handles this remarkably well and if your exposure is set correctly the grain is minimal.
6. You might visit some of my postings to get an idea of the quality of images I get in the above scenario of my usage. My postings start with "India -".

Hope this is helpful, be happy to answer any specific question if you have any.

Have fun, I love it!!

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Feb 1, 2013 08:31:50   #
wcobon Loc: Chester County Pennsylvania
 
Great shots Bret.

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Feb 1, 2013 08:34:39   #
Fergus Loc: Westfield,IN
 
DaveHam,
Of course I will but its going to have to warm-up before I'll be out and about. It is 8:30 am and the temperature here is -12F. I think that is about a -26C for you. In anyone's language it's cold! Correct me if I've got theF/C conversion wrong. It's been a while since I've made that conversion and I forget the quicky approximate conversion formula.

Sue

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Feb 1, 2013 08:35:25   #
Bernie O' Loc: Bristol, CT
 
Fergus,

Here's one that I took yesterday. I used a 135mm f2L Canon lens.

This was shot wide open at f2.

Bernie O'

Seagull
Seagull...

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Feb 1, 2013 08:39:53   #
Fergus Loc: Westfield,IN
 
Was the gull cropped quite a bit?

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Feb 1, 2013 08:42:37   #
Indrajeet Singh Loc: Goa, India
 
Indrajeet Singh wrote:
Fergus wrote:
I'm falling in love with prime lenses but I wonder if they work for birding and BIF and other constantly changing views. It's too cold here now to get out and find out myself.


I have used the 300 f4 fitted to a TC 1.4 converter on my D600 for a while now. It is a great lens and produces excellent results. I only ever shoot "Hand Held" with the camera set to spot metering on manual.

There are a couple of points that I need to mention:

1. It is heavy and takes getting used to.
2. That it lacks VR makes the task of hand holding more critical.
3. With the TC fitted it becomes an f5.6. This lens prefers to shoot one stop down on wide open. I recommend minimum an aperture of f6.3 at all times if 7.1 is not possible. You will get sharper images doing this.
4. For quick BiF shots I always have my D7000 with the 70~300 fitted handy, it seems to be faster focussing in situations where urgency is of essence. It also follow focuses very well. Both my D7000 as well as the D600 are set up exactly the same and I use a lot of U1 and U2 in my use of both bodies. I also use the D600 set up for BiF shots when I have time to be prepared, after spotting the bird.
5. It is not uncommon for me to shoot at ISO 6400 because of the very dense forest canopy cover in India. The D600 handles this remarkably well and if your exposure is set correctly the grain is minimal.
6. You might visit some of my postings to get an idea of the quality of images I get in the above scenario of my usage. My postings start with "India -".

Hope this is helpful, be happy to answer any specific question if you have any.

Have fun, I love it!!
quote=Fergus I'm falling in love with prime lense... (show quote)


I have added a few images if you don't mind, these are with the D600 + TC1.4 and 300 f4.

These are early morning shots.







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Feb 1, 2013 09:03:34   #
Bernie O' Loc: Bristol, CT
 
This was not cropped at all.

Bernie O'

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Feb 1, 2013 09:09:38   #
ASR666 Loc: Singapore
 
I have one too! A great prime lens that not too many people use ... simple design, relatively light and cheap.

:thumbup:

Anglorod wrote:
Canon EF 400mm 5.6 L prime, great for hand held, & not tooo expensive. I sometimes use a 1.4 extension with it (tape 3 pins)

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Feb 1, 2013 09:25:31   #
Swamp Gator Loc: Coastal South Carolina
 
Capsurfer wrote:
Thanks Swamp Gator, appreciate the quick reply. Had a look at you website and it is obvious that you don't need to have huge lenses to take great shots, well done, better than that, superb!


I appreciate you looking and your kind comments, thanks!

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Feb 1, 2013 09:26:07   #
mikemilton
 
Fergus wrote:
I'm falling in love with prime lenses but I wonder if they work for birding and BIF and other constantly changing views. It's too cold here now to get out and find out myself.


As already said... yes. For BIF you mostly need reach and focussing speed so, generally, the longer the better. This is not necessarily true of stationary birds which you might be able to get close to.

Some thoughts:
-turn off IS if you are going to be waving the lens about.
-high shutter speed is important (primes are typically faster)
-setup of af tracking matters and is different with / without background detail

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