forbescat

Got it: it was Zola Budd who was barefoot and who was cleared of interfering with Mary Decker. The item that probably was cloned out was the antenna of the official's "phone" that looked like it was sticking out of Mary's head.

Ray Bullock Loc: Redding, CA

Ansel Adams was known for his tweaking of photos in the darkroom....where do you draw the line? I don't like all effects I see but others do. It is a matter of taste...neither wrong or right.

RMM Loc: Suburban New York

Got it: it was Zola Budd who was barefoot and who was cleared of interfering with Mary Decker. The item that probably was cloned out was the antenna of the official's "phone" that looked like it was sticking out of Mary's head.[/quote]
Thanks for the correction. That was a pretty long time back. But I do remember the controversy over removing that antenna.

forbescat

Thanks for the correction. That was a pretty long time back. But I do remember the controversy over removing that antenna.[/quote]

It's funny what we remember. I could have sworn that Zola Budd had been responsible for the fall...but she was cleared.

Mark Bski Loc: A sleepy little island not far from Seattle

Anyone remember this pic from right after 9/11?

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birdie

It is cheating if you have to lie about it too, and say it is something it is not, and the same goes for any other art form. Full disclosure is the thing. I am a photographer, but also an artist. My work may be an untouched photo, an enhanced photo, which most photos these days are, or if it is really manipulated, like pasting things in,I will say so. I do it because it is fun, and challenging as it's own art form. The same would be if you bought a Picasso , or maybe it is a copy of a Picasso , but you need to know which you bought and pay for what you got. It needs to be declared what it is. I also use my photos as the starting place for original art pieces using computer painting. That is my original work, I took the photo, and painted the painting.There is a slippery slope between all these art forms, but they are all legitimate art forms if you are honest about it.

forbescat

Makes you wonder about the humanity of the person who put that together.

Mark Bski Loc: A sleepy little island not far from Seattle

oops

celco1 Loc: Colorado

This is a philosophical discussion that could go on forever. However to quell some of the post production rhetoric, may I remind you all that when you take that special person in your life out to a nice dinner, you are taking the post production version and proudly so. Post production is and always will be as natural as breathing. The difference is that the digital world has opened Pandora's box to the public at large, once kept locked tightly by the professional. In art as it has always been "BEAUTY IS IN THE EYE OF THE BEHOLDER".............JMHO

edg110

As long as the photo looks great, it's ok. A lot of professional photographers do insert objects or whatever into photos, even those that are used on magazine covers, etc.

forbescat

Oops? You think it's ok to make a picture like that with every intention to foist it on the public as genuine?

billwassmann Loc: Emerson, NJ

What a professional does at the behest of an art director or editor is different from what a non-professional does. If you are trying to create a work of art it will probably be OK but it otherwise it is probably fraudulent.

picsure

I think inserting is important at times.
The children in this wedding photo look fine. I fotogd a huge amount of people standing at the alter, and no one told me the brides mother left to use the restoom. This was the type of shot that was going in thier wedding album. I inserted another photo i had of her, and not one person noticed to this day. My biggest problem was tweaking her with the lighting at the alter, and then it was done. Its good to know how to do it in some cases. I think the 3 photos were nice on thier own, but gorgeous together. Much more interesting. Just my opinion.

Picsure.

celco1 Loc: Colorado

When you take that special person out for a night on the town, do you carry a pre-production picture of your date to show everyone or do you alow them to enjoy your partner in all their post production glory. Post production in photography, video , TV, movies is one of their biggest budget items. An artist that works in oil, acrylics or even charcoal, their post production is their most agonizing part of their art. A true artist is never satisfied with their work. It is the finished product that falls upon these weary eyes that either gives me enjoyment or disappointment. If it was accomplished through their blood, sweat and tears, their method for arriving there is far less important than my enjoyment of their work. If you have entered a contest that is very specific that the photo submitted must be exactly as it was taken, then all post work of any kind is obviously cheating and would be automatically eliminated. However, post production is an accepted fact of life. Judge it, enjoy it, hate it, that's called freedom of expression. Its also the way the world has been judging art since the first scrawlings in the stone age.