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Jan 23, 2013 07:37:02   #
Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada
 
jerrymat wrote:
Did you know that if you load a jpeg image into your computer and make the slightest modification to the file and then save it as a jpeg that you degrade the file? Did you know that jpeg is equivalent to what (in film days) we called drug store processing? A mistake in exposure by even a tiny bit (in jpeg) cannot be fixed without degrading the file? I took jpeg files for the first two years of working with digital and am forever sorry. I ruined some wonderful images.
I now take ALL pictures in Camera Raw, load them into Photoshop, make adjustments and save the file as a Tiff. At any time I can create a jpeg file from the Tiff and have an excellent result. Anytime I can go back to the Tiff and try some new software procedure on it, and lose nothing from the original.
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Hi,
If FAB4223 (who has has just joined UHH) is happy with the JPEG pictures, there is no problem. On one adjustment and re-save as JPEG, there is not all that much degradation and most people would never recognize it. On the other hand, if you have ruined some wonderful pictures, it means that you did not save the original. My recommendation is if a camera can take pictures in both JPEG and RAW, that both be taken and the RAW saved for future use if needed. (especially photos of children and grandkids - they may well want these when they get older)

P.S. With today's cheap memory cards, and storage, there is no valid reason for not setting the camera for the highest resolution JPEG's

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Jan 23, 2013 07:47:13   #
Radioman Loc: Ontario Canada
 
jazzplayer wrote:
I simply must make an observation here that I've been keeping to myself up until now, but the title of this thread is the topper...
When I see people posting messages about "shooting in JPG" or "shooting in raw", that is the immediate tipoff to me that they don't really grasp what JPG or RAW are.
What we are talking about is nothing more than various formats for file storage of all the 1's and 0's that comprise picture data. They are file formats & nothing more! Sure, they are handled differently by computers (in & out of cameras), and that's why we use different formats - so that we CAN process them differently. But I think that saying I "shoot in JPG" because that happens to be the file format I have set my camera to output for the moment, just seems a bit inappropriate. And it slays me to read things like, "I love JPEG!" - How can you "love" a file format? - Or maybe you're talking about loving the entire Joint Photographic Experts Group? hmmm...
I can't help it - if I happen to be saving RAW files out of my camera right now, I'd still really have to force myself to say something as inapplicable as, "I'm shooting in RAW." - That makes it sound like it's a bloody religion or something, when in reality all it is is a data-handling choice. I use .DOC, .TXT, .PDF and .RTF for text documents, too - is one better than the other? Yes! - and which one that is depends on what you're doing with it.
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Hmm ".DOC, .TXT, .PDF and .RTF for text documents, too - is one better than the other? "

This is not a good example. Editing any one of them does not degrade the original text. Saving and editing in JPEG does degrade the original, while saving and editing in RAW does not.

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Jan 23, 2013 07:47:50   #
donnieb55 Loc: Greensboro, NC
 
If you were trying to save space, use JPEG, Raw takes up more space, but it is well worth it to have the ability, to do anything to your image and not lose the original information. I liked rpavic's analogy. I also like jerrymat's comments. For the professional photographer, RAW is the best way to go.This is one of the first things taught in my classroom.

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Jan 23, 2013 07:54:05   #
Brenda IS Scottish Loc: GOLDEN Colorado
 
donnieb55 wrote:
If you were trying to save space, use JPEG, Raw takes up more space, but it is well worth it to have the ability, to do anything to your image and not lose the original information. I liked rpavic's analogy. I also like jerrymat's comments. For the professional photographer, RAW is the best way to go.This is one of the first things taught in my classroom.


Me too. I've taken over 7 photography classes at the local CC, and all the instructors want us shooting in raw...And lightroom is a very powerful editing program. I have both lightroom and photoshop and I use lightroom 99% of the time on my photos.

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Jan 23, 2013 08:07:01   #
stableflame
 
If you want to take snapshots then shoot jpg, if you want to make memorable pictures shoot RAW and then process it.

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Jan 23, 2013 08:12:00   #
ssv
 
hi... shooting in jpeg leads to banding...the funny orange patches on skin tone...that are very difficult to correct. i lost out on a lot of good images coz i shot them in jpeg! raw is a much better option.
and when u save raws as tiff after processing...u have a file thats far superior to one that u would save as a jpg. save as jpg from tiff if u like. and i'm sure u have external drives...so mega file sizes should be the least of ur worries. nikon viewNX2 also processes raw files. n u will get that with ur cam kit. or can download from the net. (i'm presuming u use a nikon. canon has its own software too)

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Jan 23, 2013 08:17:47   #
Gpforward30 Loc: Delaware
 
Raw is BEST:

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Jan 23, 2013 08:23:57   #
Fab4223 Loc: New York
 
Yess I have a Nikon ,I've used the view NX2 but I found picasa to be a litte easier in my opinion ...

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Jan 23, 2013 08:29:57   #
wncpainter
 
Thank you for this wonderful discussion! This is my first day as a member of UHH. I am usually so techno-phobic, but already I have learned so much. Thank you Jazzplayer and Jerrymat for the excellent explanations about the differences between jpeg and RAW.

(now, where can I go to answer the question "what are mega pixels anyway?" - I just bought a Kodak EasyShare Z1015is.)

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Jan 23, 2013 08:37:30   #
David Kay Loc: Arlington Heights IL
 
I only shoot in RAW. Then convert to TIFF. No data loss and I still have my original RAW file.

Photoshop elements allows you to work in RAW files and can be found for areound $80.00 online.

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Jan 23, 2013 09:04:53   #
Xantoz Loc: Delaware
 
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Photoshop elements allows you to work in RAW files and can be found for areound $80.00 online.[/quote]

I love PS Elements, it's my first go to for after processing, next is the Canon editing program for fine tuning. Then an assortment of other goodies for tweaking. But I always save my originals in Raw & jpeg on an external drive. you never know when you want to play with an old photo or a client calls for reprints of a portrait session. Or your computer crashes like mine did 2 weeks ago downloading 600 photos from that mornings photoshoot.

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Jan 23, 2013 09:07:54   #
boscobear
 
If you are happy with your pictures and have no real desire to change, then stick with what you know. Also-Photoshop Elements is easy to learn and I would recommend you look at the various Topaz programs. They can add a lot to your pictures.

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Jan 23, 2013 09:11:16   #
Robbie7 Loc: Northampton. England
 
If someone posted two identical images, could anyone on this site honestly identify which was RAW and which was JPEG?

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Jan 23, 2013 09:11:50   #
naturepics43 Loc: Hocking Co. Ohio - USA
 
jazzplayer wrote:
I simply must make an observation here that I've been keeping to myself up until now, but the title of this thread is the topper...
When I see people posting messages about "shooting in JPG" or "shooting in raw", that is the immediate tipoff to me that they don't really grasp what JPG or RAW are.
What we are talking about is nothing more than various formats for file storage of all the 1's and 0's that comprise picture data. They are file formats & nothing more! Sure, they are handled differently by computers (in & out of cameras), and that's why we use different formats - so that we CAN process them differently. But I think that saying I "shoot in JPG" because that happens to be the file format I have set my camera to output for the moment, just seems a bit inappropriate. And it slays me to read things like, "I love JPEG!" - How can you "love" a file format? - Or maybe you're talking about loving the entire Joint Photographic Experts Group? hmmm...
I can't help it - if I happen to be saving RAW files out of my camera right now, I'd still really have to force myself to say something as inapplicable as, "I'm shooting in RAW." - That makes it sound like it's a bloody religion or something, when in reality all it is is a data-handling choice. I use .DOC, .TXT, .PDF and .RTF for text documents, too - is one better than the other? Yes! - and which one that is depends on what you're doing with it.
I simply must make an observation here that I've b... (show quote)


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I take photos with my camera & view them on my computer screen. ( I save my images in 2 file formats, one for viewing NOW- the other to use IF I ever learn how to use my PSE9) Who knows, someday National Geographic may want to use one of my images & I will have the "other" data file format for them to use!

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Jan 23, 2013 09:24:48   #
lwhjlh
 
I have a Canon 5D MarkIII. I shot in raw and jpeg. It's faster to get a jpeg photo ready to print on my Epson printer. I use photoshop cs5 and when I'm ready to save the photo in photoshop, I save it as a psd first and then I save it as a jpeg. The first jpeg save still looks very good to me. I can go back and use the saved psd if I want to do anymore changes. Larry

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