TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

Pigpen, you are right...why should congress get a pay raise for creating a mess of this nation. I thought the government worked for the people not the people working to support the lavish lifestyles of the elite in Washington. The politicians slash and burn our economy, and they steal so much off the top for themselves. Yes, we need to be voting on their pay raises!

Many people have no jobs, no homes, and have little or no income. Seems to me that omaumau is putting the government workers on the communist plantation, with all the other useless people. All the politicians have to do is vote for whatever he wants... If they don't, he will just sign an EO and get it anyway. There is no Republic or Constitution. Actually, there is only omaumau law! And, look where that is taking the country.

TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

And, to your point.

The less one is paid-the harder they must work.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Right Larry at that percentage, but the raise was only 1/2 of 1%

TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

And that 1/2 of 1% totals Eleven Billion Dollars in pay raises...to be paid for by taxpayers that have diminishing incomes.

Larry9072 Loc: Lorain, Ohio

I was just using that as an example. My main topic was the percentage system of pay increases. The person making the most already gets the largest increase. A clerk will get a miniscule increase while Biden will receive twice as much. Where's the justice in that?

pigpen

You must understand why teachers have a bad reputation. It is mostly well deserved, and it is mostly due to your union counterparts. The problem most people have with teachers, is they come off as arrogant. They go on and on (kinda like you did above) about how tough their jobs are, how every job in America is easier than teaching. There are a great number of people that work very hard, everyday!! There was a goup of us in college, 8 of us, that were very close friends. Two went on to become teachers. Fine, we thought it a noble profession. Both were teaching in the same school district, which went on strike twice in 5 years. Both these teachers were making at least as much, usually more, than the other six of us. Both of these teachers had better benefits, better pension, many more days off (including summers), better hours, etc, etc,.. Now there is a close group of 6, and none of us even speak to the teachers. The biggest reason is because they changed once becoming teachers. In college, they were anti-government, only believed in welfare in extreme cases, despised unions, staunch conservatives. on and on and on. The day they entered teaching, all that changed. In fact, they didn't go into teaching because they "loved children", or because they want to "mold young minds". They went into teaching because of all the benefits I listed above. And I assure you, the majority of teachers, are teachers for the same reasons.

People, like me, go to work 5 or 6 days a week, working 50-60 hours per week. Yes, I have medical, but it does not include my wife (an extra $500 a month out of my pay). I don't have dental. I don't have vision. Every teacher I know has all of this, and it includes their spouse and children. The medical I do have is ok, not the greatest, but in this day and age I can't complain. I thinked I may have broken a rib yesterday, but a trip to the ER is a $100 co-pay, so, I make an appointment and suffer. The teachers I know don't have such a high co-pay, if they did, they make a lot more than I do and could afford it. Now, go back and re-read the bold text above. Our local teachers go on strike, expect us to understand and back them, when all of them have it better than most of us. In fact, their demands mean an increase in our tax dollars. They actually want us to support something that means a smaller paycheck for ourselves, while increasing theirs.

I know there are states that have school year round. Here in PA, summers are off. I pose this statement to every teacher I know, and always get a blank stare in return. Name on profession, besides Congress, that get more days off per year than teachers. I never get a reply, perhaps you will answer it.

You must understand. We are not against the profession, we are against anything that is unsustainable. I know you don't see it this way, but you basically work for us. The trouble with teachers (mostly unions) is they are veiwed in the same light as government workers, welfare recipients, etc, etc, ... You don't care WHERE it comes from, you just want more. Nowhere on the planet is there a company that exist where the employees make more money than the owners of the company. If there were, it would fail. This is where the problem is with teachers, unions, government workers, et al.... They all want more, while us (the owners of the company) get less.

You said in the first line that only you contribute to your retirement. You said it as though it was a "sacrifice", meanwhile, the most of the country does this. Or, if your like me and a large portion of the country, I have no means of contributing to my retirement, I can't afford it right know. You should be happy that you are making enough money that you can afford to start a retirement plan, and not living paycheck to paycheck like 50% of America.

TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

pigpen, good post.

Unions are communist organizations and they are a curse on this country. They shutdown business and encourage other businesses to move out of country or move to "right to work" states.

We need to get the marxist teachers out of our classrooms and universities. Schools churn out little marxists every year and they start the indoctrination as early as possible.

It wouldn't do for me to be in charge. Any teacher that riots in the streets for more union benefits would never work in a classroom again. Any teacher that brought their students to riot in the streets with them would lose their license to teach. They need to stay in classroom and stop worrying about how much more they can squeeze out of the taxpayers. These teachers moan all the time and they work less than any other profession and make more than most. I heard this discussion on a recent talk show. These union teachers have Million Dollar retirements, paid for by people that have little or no retirement of their own....
So, no one wants to be lectured by teachers about how they are so abused...

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Think you had better go back to school you sure can't add. I don't know where you get your information. You act like a FLAMER and not like a sensible person. I think your just wacko!

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

If I am correct I think the VP has a bit more responsibilities than the clerk.

docrob Loc: Durango, Colorado

no

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Sounds like you need to find a different job pigpen, all you do is complain about the one you have.

UP-2-IT Loc: RED STICK, LA

Your disgusting

Photogdog Loc: New Kensington, PA

I totally agree. When I was in high school, I worked for a local supermarket chain where I was forced to join the union. I don't believe I ever went more than three or four months without getting a pay raise. The only way the supermarkets could keep up with these raises was to increase the prices on the food. They finally closed down the local markets and moved out of state so they could stay in business.

I had to laugh. At one point, the owners asked the union to forego an upcoming pay raise to be payed back later (retroactively). They even offered to hand over the books to the union to have them examined by independent accountans. The union turned them down flat. The owners actually mailed out private ballots asking the rank & file to vote on their own. When I showed up for work the next day, the cashiers (who didn't have to stock the shelves or mop floors) were outraged that the company would ask them to go behind the union's back and vote against them.

I had just graduated high school & went off to college in Johnston, PA. I came back my first summer and was hired back but the chain had already closed up about a third of their stores and was making plans to move the business out of state. After my sophmore year, the chain was gone.

Here's the funny thing. The same cashiers that bitched about the owners going behind the union's back then turned around and bitched about the owners running such a piss poor business.

You can't have it both ways. Either you live in a capitalistic society and earn your keep or you're a socialist who feeds off the production of those that are actually willing to work for a living.

TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

up,

The undeserved pay increases for Washington elites and other federal minions, given them by Hussein's Executive Order, will cost the taxpayers Eleven Billion Dollars. Not my figures...

The truth is always inflammatory, when it comes to liberals. So is that all you got... LOL

TheeGambler Loc: The green pastures of Northeast Texas

Photodog, it happens all the time doesn't it. Unions run companies out of business.

I bet those 18,000 union members are still out of jobs because they ran Hostess out of business. (Of course, I am sure the taxpayers are paying them to sit at home and not work at all.)
The union demands were infuriating just to hear about them.
Certain cookies couldn't ride in the same truck with certain pies. The company had to have separate trucks going to the same places, increasing the cost of delivering their products.
Drivers couldn't put the products on the shelves, once they were delivered....Those union creeps deserved to be unemployed. Hope their vacations that are paid for by the taxpayers, end soon.