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May 3, 2024 09:28:11   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Retired CPO wrote:
When I'm in the minority I get this free and easy feeling, just like when I know I'm doing the right thing!!

Except you're NOT in the minority. The handful of RAW zealots here just make it seem that way.

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May 3, 2024 09:28:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
When I shoot in RAW, I am a photographer.

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May 3, 2024 09:35:23   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Guys with the RAW T-shirts often compare edited Raw to unedited jpg. Fact is, most of the time, almost all the time, you and your camera take jpgs quite well, and you can 99% of the time edit the jpg to as good or superior to what you get with RAW.

Very little about RAW helps with the most common photography problems, which with todays camera's you have to try to screw up enough that raw is required. RAW is the LAST thing that makes for a good picture. A skilled editor can take a B&W jpg photo and colorize to very high standards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5Y8YcKnRm0

The most common problems with photography are in composition (pole sticking out of Aunt Janes head, crooked horizon, face shadows, ugly sky, etc. These are all easily fixed in a jpg editor. Even minor (actually pretty major) exposure and color issues can be fixed with a jpg editor.

If you are so anal retentive you need RAW to perfect your photo's then by all means, go for it. I have to laugh when old folks here thought their walls were yellow when in fact they were white. EVERYONES eyes are different, screens are different, printers different view points different and since the difference from edited RAW to edited JPG is close to imperceptible to most everyone, it is amusing that some insist RAW is the ONLY way to go and editing is only useful if done on a RAW image.

If you are a person who pays such attention to detail that it becomes an obsession then RAW would be a good choice. Good luck and occasionally you might end up with a better outcome than if you just shot JPG to begin with. And, unless you have superb artistic skills, you will more often end up with less than the edited jpg would have provided to you.
Guys with the RAW T-shirts often compare edited Ra... (show quote)


What do you base your information on this quote "and you can 99% of the time edit the jpg to as good or superior to what you get with RAW."

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May 3, 2024 09:40:27   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
A recent study found that 68% of the statistics on 37% of the discussion boards are 84% made up.

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May 3, 2024 09:47:26   #
Kencamera
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
I recently went on a deliberate landscape "shoot" with the intention of generating a large print on the order of 24x30. I often shoot both jpeg and RAW which gives me an opportunity to review in jpeg and then PP a RAW image. On this occasion when I compared the in-camera jpeg images with the best I could do post processing the RAW file, I could not do much better than the jpeg produced by my D850. Have any of you experienced this outcome?

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May 3, 2024 09:47:57   #
Kencamera
 
Don't most people post process their jpeg shots as well?

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May 3, 2024 09:48:46   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Shooting in JPEG is nothing to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.

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May 3, 2024 09:52:34   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
Rongnongno wrote:
Depends on your PP skills.

True. Far more tools available with a jpg than a raw file. All the tools in a raw editor are available to a jpg photo, plus, all the jpg tools are available as well. If you don't know how to edit in both, you need to bone up on your skills.

In todays world editing skills seem more important than photo skills. Todays camera's make it fairly easy to get pictures well within the range needed for jpg editors.

One can practice his editing skills with a jpg, including loading his jpg into a raw editor. Once he perfects his picture taking skills and editing skills, he can proceed to shooting and editing raw photos if he sees a need.

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May 3, 2024 09:53:03   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Kencamera wrote:
Don't most people post process their jpeg shots as well?


Yes, and by pressing the Ctrl/Shift/A keys at the same time you can take a jpeg image into the RAW processing of Photoshop, BUT, it is far better to start with a RAW image than a jpeg image, especially if your going to do any PP on the image. And that you can take to the bank.
I was a jpeg shooter for years until I saw for myself how much better my images were shooting in RAW.

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May 3, 2024 09:53:14   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Shooting in JPEG is nothing to be ashamed of, but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.


And, don't ADMIT it on forums like UHH !

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May 3, 2024 09:53:28   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The unprocessed image is not worth sharing ...


True!...If you're not a real photographer. And then, no matter how much processing you do, it won't be worth sharing!

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May 3, 2024 09:56:34   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Everyone should be allowed to try their own ideas, even the wrong ones.

Yes, you're entitled to think RAW will improve your picture taking skills, but the truth is, that's the very last thing that will help.

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May 3, 2024 09:56:38   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Who can have a positive attitude about inferior results?

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May 3, 2024 10:12:32   #
Gort55 Loc: Northern Colorado
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
I recently went on a deliberate landscape "shoot" with the intention of generating a large print on the order of 24x30. I often shoot both jpeg and RAW which gives me an opportunity to review in jpeg and then PP a RAW image. On this occasion when I compared the in-camera jpeg images with the best I could do post processing the RAW file, I could not do much better than the jpeg produced by my D850. Have any of you experienced this outcome?


Yes, to the chagrin of fellow photography enthusiasts. They don't like it, but that's the way I see it. I usually tweak the jpg but not by much.

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May 3, 2024 10:12:45   #
BurghByrd Loc: Pittsburgh
 
This is an illogical discussion that just keeps coming back. A SOOC JPG image may be sufficient for certain needs, faster and good enough and there's nothing wrong with that. But, there is no question that what can be done with a RAW file using PP software can produce more just like working with a negative in a dark room by dodging, burning or any of the various techniques can produce a better print. To my mind it's like the difference between sending a roll of film to Ritz for prints or developing it yourself and working in your darkroom to make (better) images. Why would I throw away the ability to work with the image? I can always produce a quick JPG print using "standard" processing but my options are limited with a JPG file. Aren't we lucky to have this digital photographic medium to work with? It allows us to much more easily work with our "negatives" to improve exposure or tone or even to erase unwanted defects at far less cost and fiddle than working in a darkroom. Just saying ---

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