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Apr 29, 2024 13:12:39   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I suggest you look up the computer called Eugene...doing a heck of a lot more than repetetive tasking.

They are starting to learn on their own now.

Just like toddlers...they get instructions from their parents...but at some point...they create their own.

Same thing is happening with computers...and especially quantum computers.

They are...growing up.



bwa

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Apr 29, 2024 13:41:40   #
gouldopfl
 
You are partially correct. I was in IT for 40 years, my last job writing AI algorithms for a very big big data system for a large multinational. We had billions of rows of data stored, the largest legal data collector. We had the results of various queries that were stored. We also reprocessed queries that our customers wanted. daily, weekly, monthly...etc. With that data, natural language queries, data could be extrapolated and used to determine results for new customer queries. We basically kept pointers to various pieces of data that could be used by other queries to effect the outcome. Now the part that floored me when I first went to work there, these are all flat files. I could read through a billion rows that were 100 bytes in length in about 2 minutes. Blew me away.

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Apr 29, 2024 13:57:05   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Just like toddlers...they [computers] get instructions from their parents...but at some point...they create their own. Same thing is happening with computers...and especially quantum computers. They are...growing up.

Do you remember the 1983 movie "War Games"? ... for a nuclear launch, they removed humans from the launch station, and they turned a computer named WOPR into the deciding factor. WOPR would not allow humans back in to stop the launch. It almost caused WWIII and world destruction, with the US only minutes away from doing the first launch. Only a Tic-Tac-Toe game saved the world!



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Apr 29, 2024 14:26:08   #
ialvarez50
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


You're correct in your assessment. I further suggest that everyone should be concerned about AI replacing jobs. With advancements in artificial intelligence and automation, certain roles traditionally performed by humans are at risk of being automated. This trend can lead to a significant loss of jobs, especially in industries where cost-cutting and efficiency gains are prioritized by business owners.

The root of the issue lies in the desire of many companies to reduce labor costs by replacing human workers with AI-driven technologies. This shift often stems from the drive to maximize profits and streamline operations. However, this can have profound social and economic implications, potentially exacerbating income inequality and widening the gap between different socioeconomic classes.

Your insight into the potential for conflict between classes is also astute. If large segments of the population are rendered jobless due to automation, it can breed discontent and fuel social unrest. Economic disparities coupled with widespread unemployment may indeed lead to societal tensions and even conflict.

Addressing these challenges will require proactive measures such as implementing policies to retrain and reskill workers for roles that complement AI technologies, fostering innovation in new industries, and ensuring equitable distribution of the benefits derived from automation. Additionally, it's crucial for society to engage in discussions about the ethical and social implications of AI and automation to ensure that technological advancements benefit everyone and mitigate potential negative consequences.

My two cents.

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Apr 29, 2024 14:42:12   #
twowindsbear
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
I wish my car's GPS would learn.

It's really a pretty rudimentary program. I tell it where I want to go and it knows where I am so it tries to chart a path for me to take. It knows which the major roads are and which the minor roads are. It sometimes knows which roads are one way.

I have a couple places I want to go that mix major and minor roads. My GPS has a tendency to choose the major roads preferentially. But as a result, it will pick a route that travels on a minor road until I want to get onto a major road. So the GPS takes me straight on the minor road to a stop sign. I then have to navigate onto the major road with a left turn through the stop sign. However, I know that there is a short cut on another minor road that crosses the major road at a traffic light. I always take it. My GPS has to recalculate each time. If it learned, it would be great. That way when I had a similar situation on a path I don't travel frequently enough to remember, it will choose the easier path through the traffic light so I don't have to make a left turn onto a busy highway.

I must admit that my phone does a better job in this regard. It doesn't learn but it knows the difference between a stop sign and a stop light on a major road. The only problem is that it doesn't integrate well with my car GPS. Hopefully the next car I buy will have higher intellegence and better integration between different systems. I would prefer to use the phone because it keeps updates with traffic and road changes. But the interface is so klunky that it's difficult to use it.

I really agree with the comment I have seen posted that the proper use of AI is for the mundane, repetitive tasks of life rather than the creative tasks. The problem is that the mundane repetitive tasks are physical (dishes and laundry) while the creative tasks are mental and don't require hands and feet.
I wish my car's GPS would learn. br br It's reall... (show quote)


Have you tried updating your GPS device? Ya update your camera? Ya update your iPhone? Ya update your vehicle with fresh oil & filter from time to time?

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Apr 29, 2024 14:49:52   #
twowindsbear
 
bobbyjohn wrote:
While AI is an interesting technology in the world of photos, videos, search engines, advertising, etc. etc., and with a myriad of legal and ethical concerns, it is my belief that there is NO SUCH THING as Artificial Intelligence.

I have used AI to produce strange and weird images, and will likely continue to do so...because it's fun!

Before retirement, I was in the IT field for many decades, and back even in the 2000's, the term and delivery of AI was in its infancy. It was the belief then, as now, that AI is produced by humans, humans writing computer programs, and as such takes on the characteristics and leanings of its authors/developers. A computer cannot think, it is just a series of 0's and 1's, created by some human, with a myriad of IF-THEN-ELSE logic. A computer cannot have emotions. When an AI deliverer want his program to react in a certain way, he programs it that way...it is a reflection of the developer. Such it is with AI that has permeated the world today.

While the term and delivery of AI is here to stay, we should always remember that in using AI, we are catering to the whims of the developer(s). We should not assign "intelligence" to a machine that can have no intelligence.
While AI is an interesting technology in the world... (show quote)


Follow this link to the 4-28-2024 CBS 60 Minutes show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpQQi2scsHo

Follow this link for Neil deGrasse Tyson's comments on AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qon72VKH30

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Apr 29, 2024 15:08:31   #
gouldopfl
 
I do. Hopefully we won't need tic..

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Apr 29, 2024 15:12:34   #
DirtFarmer Loc: Escaped from the NYC area, back to MA
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Have you tried updating your GPS device? Ya update your camera? Ya update your iPone? Ya update your vehicle with fresh oil & filter from time to time?


The GPS is built into the car. Updates are not free. The map is on a disk (I think it's under the driver's seat). Last I checked I could purchase a new disk from the dealer with a new map (probably not more than one year out of date) for about $250. I use Google maps on my phone and the map is updated continually. It doesn't cost me anything (directly -- I'm sure Google finds a way to monetize it all).

And the program is built into the car. I expect it is possible to update the program to improve the algorithms, but again, it's something that the dealer has to do. And it will cost.

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Apr 29, 2024 15:27:16   #
gouldopfl
 
I found that with my Toyota uses Navteq data. I used that with my work for years. There updates are 400.00. I live in an area that has a lot of new building in areas where 9 years ago when we purchased out car and it has all of the new information. When I used this data at work we paid 10k a month for updates. Not sure why we need it.

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Apr 29, 2024 15:35:45   #
ialvarez50
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Follow this link to the 4-28-2024 CBS 60 Minutes show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpQQi2scsHo

Follow this link for Neil deGrasse Tyson's comments on AI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Qon72VKH30


Thank you for the links, great stuff!

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Apr 29, 2024 16:54:14   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
DirtFarmer wrote:
The GPS is built into the car. Updates are not free. The map is on a disk (I think it's under the driver's seat). Last I checked I could purchase a new disk from the dealer with a new map (probably not more than one year out of date) for about $250. I use Google maps on my phone and the map is updated continually. It doesn't cost me anything (directly -- I'm sure Google finds a way to monetize it all).

And the program is built into the car. I expect it is possible to update the program to improve the algorithms, but again, it's something that the dealer has to do. And it will cost.
The GPS is built into the car. Updates are not fre... (show quote)

Interesting, our dealer updates the GPS database at every service for nothing.

bwa

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Apr 29, 2024 17:58:34   #
bobbyjohn Loc: Dallas, TX
 
twowindsbear wrote:
Follow this link to the 4-28-2024 CBS 60 Minutes show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpQQi2scsHo

In this video, the robot walking at 6:03 reminds me of the gait of a certain well-known person...I won't say who (so as to stay out of The Attic), but I imagine you can guess.

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Apr 29, 2024 18:00:55   #
cjones405 Loc: Waterville, WA
 
Totally Agree!

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Apr 29, 2024 18:29:57   #
spaceytracey Loc: East Glacier Park, MT
 
Exactly! The "doom & gloomers" give too much credit to the machines themselves. They're envisioning situations where "Hal" will take over the world. AI is a tool nothing more. Of course, the tool could be misused in the wrong hands, but that's true for any tool, right? I'm pretty excited about it. Bring it on.

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Apr 29, 2024 18:39:02   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
Spot on. I take photos to full fill my need to be creative.

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