Time for Photographers to be Scared? (Editorial)
Apr 26, 2024 14:28:39 #
Curmudgeon wrote:
As we know Adobe has been integrating more and mor... (show quote)
We are starting to see in some phones ( Google Pixel 8 and Google Pixel Pro. ). How much longer will it be before we see some high end cameras have AI in camera? Could jpgs be considered AI since the camera makes the decision on what the output will be? What about automatic mode or program mode?
Michael Gould
Apr 26, 2024 14:34:57 #
BebuLamar wrote:
Oh well but then cameraless imaging isn't photography either unless you scan the objects using a scanner which has been done for a long time. But well since cameras without mirrors had been around for over 100 years the term mirrorless is less than 20 years old so perhaps the term cameraless will be used.
It absolutely isn’t photography. Photorealistic artwork is nothing new. There have long been artist that create art that looks like a photograph and they’ve never been considered photos. Creating them digitally is no different, whether you use AI or not.
Apr 26, 2024 14:38:34 #
Creativity takes the courage to enter the proper text into the AI generation window.
Apr 26, 2024 14:39:41 #
srt101fan wrote:
I don't have a problem with composites, but why should an image that was entirely created with tools that have nothing to do with photography be allowed (other than to support a photography discussion)?
I think any image posted in any UHH section shoulld at least have had a photograph as a starting point for the creation of the image.
I think any image posted in any UHH section shoulld at least have had a photograph as a starting point for the creation of the image.
As Linda said, this is a for profit venture. It’s up to Admin what is allowed. If the wanted to add Cupcake Baking forum it would be their prerogative.
Apr 26, 2024 14:45:44 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Oh I might subscribe to that!As Linda said, this is a for profit venture. It’s up to Admin what is allowed. If the wanted to add Cupcake Baking forum it would be their prerogative.
An interesting side note: there is a thread in Chit-Chat called Connections. It is currently on its 43rd topic because Admin has to split off a topic after it becomes a certain number of pages long.
This group came from a site for knitting afficionados, that is (or was) owned by UHH's Admin. The layout looked the same as UHH's (he also has or had a political discussion forum).
The reason this group of members came to UHH to chat with each other is because of the vitriol and bad behavior on the knitting site. That was an eye-opening factoid to learn
Apr 26, 2024 14:59:37 #
rcarol wrote:
What about an image that is not AI generated but rather is an image that has been AI enhanced?
I think it depends on what you mean by “enhanced”. If it means using AI tools to make the same kinds of changes you might have made pre AI then it’s just a more efficient way of making those changes. If it means adding AI created subjects, that’s a different matter.
Apr 26, 2024 15:17:35 #
gouldopfl wrote:
We are starting to see in some phones ( Google Pixel 8 and Google Pixel Pro. ). How much longer will it be before we see some high end cameras have AI in camera? Could jpgs be considered AI since the camera makes the decision on what the output will be? What about automatic mode or program mode?
Michael Gould
Michael Gould
No, because those JPEGS are generated by a fixed algorithm and while you can set certain parameters it’s just straight code.
Actually what we’re calling AI isn’t truly AI, it’s software created using AI. If it were truly AI it would learn from its “experiences” and improve on its own.
Apr 26, 2024 15:20:31 #
My last job that I has was writing AI algorithms for a very large AI engine that was first created about 2010 and constantly improved. It would use results from other queries saved over time to give better results so essentially it was self learning.
Apr 26, 2024 15:24:32 #
cahale wrote:
I hate to beat an old drum, but photographs have been artificial intelligence (still makes me chuckle) generated since the first digital camera. The technology (just like all technology) is simply better now.
The fz200 has an AI setting. Manual says the camera figures everything out for you. Came out in 2012. Same thing? Hm.
Apr 26, 2024 15:24:45 #
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Actually what we’re calling AI isn’t truly AI, it’s software created using AI. If it were truly AI it would learn from its “experiences” and improve on its own.
Actually what we’re calling AI isn’t truly AI, it’s software created using AI. If it were truly AI it would learn from its “experiences” and improve on its own.
That's why many people prefer the term "Machine learning."
Apr 26, 2024 15:33:46 #
CHG_CANON wrote:
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which images to just use AI.
Creativity is allowing yourself to make mistakes. Art is knowing which mistakes to make.
Apr 26, 2024 15:39:05 #
Dean37
Loc: Fresno, CA
There should be a standardized policy that requires that published photos be annotated with a watermark of AI for photos created by artificial Intelligence, ALT for photos ALTered with post processing and O for photos Originally straight out of camera. I realize that cameras may ALTer photos up to and including use of AI (Artificial Intelligence), but they need to be identified.
AI (Artificial Intelligence) can be very dangerous if allowed to be used indiscriminately. Any individuals' personna can be captured and altered to do whatever the nefarious party wants, so they can take over YOU! Everything about you can be controlled by a nefarious individual to the point of criminal convictions and any other interference in an individuals life.
At the same time when it is properly applied AI can prevent people from making mistakes and generally improving our lives.
Honesty is the best policy!
AI (Artificial Intelligence) can be very dangerous if allowed to be used indiscriminately. Any individuals' personna can be captured and altered to do whatever the nefarious party wants, so they can take over YOU! Everything about you can be controlled by a nefarious individual to the point of criminal convictions and any other interference in an individuals life.
At the same time when it is properly applied AI can prevent people from making mistakes and generally improving our lives.
Honesty is the best policy!
Apr 26, 2024 15:39:52 #
[quote=MJPerini]I think 'A.I.' is a losing (or winning) battle, depending on your point of View.
Linda from Maine has been articulate about the futility of "drawing lines"
AI is in its infancy.....
Thank you for a very thoughtful response
Linda from Maine has been articulate about the futility of "drawing lines"
AI is in its infancy.....
Thank you for a very thoughtful response
Apr 26, 2024 16:09:54 #
whatdat wrote:
The fz200 has an AI setting. Manual says the camera figures everything out for you. Came out in 2012. Same thing? Hm.
Not the same thing at all. It’s actually iA which is “intelligent Auto” mode. Just an enhanced auto mode that does some scene evaluation.
Apr 26, 2024 16:41:35 #
whatdat wrote:
The fz200 has an AI setting. Manual says the camera figures everything out for you. Came out in 2012. Same thing? Hm.
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Not the same thing at all. It’s actually iA which is “intelligent Auto” mode. Just an enhanced auto mode that does some scene evaluation.
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