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Apr 23, 2024 13:14:44   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
Yes, I now have a Canon RP and R7, great images etc. but two problems for me, one major and one minor.

When looking in the viewfinder with my glasses on light gets in and washes out what I see (brighter the sun the worse the problem) making composition etc. difficult.

The minor one, I often use my camera and telephoto as a telescope to search for birds etc. and with mirrorless I have to turn the camera on and drain the battery faster.

That said, I really like both cameras. I need to talk to my optometrist about getting some soft contacts in my new Rx* and put an eye cup on the bodies, that will solve the wash-out problem. As to the battery drain, well I like cargo pants and shorts and those vests with about a dozen pockets so I need to just remember to drop a few extra batteries in one of those pockets.

*I have a couple pairs of the 30 day types from about 3 Rx ago, which are better than nothing but I really shouldn't drive (or ride my street legal mobility scooter) with that old Rx. If I got in a crash and it came out I wasn't wearing up to date lenses I could be in trouble.

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Apr 23, 2024 13:31:23   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
CamB wrote:
Some thoughts about going mirrorless, which I did about a month and 3000 pictures ago. (Nikon Z611). The mirrorless viewfinder is both good and bad. While composing the shot, pre-exposure, the screen looks a bit wimpy and “digital”. It is not rich and saturated as a mirrored viewfinder and the contrast range is limited. The brights can look washed out even when the histogram (the little one in the viewfinder which I really like) is telling you the exposure is fine. The jpeg from your RAW file that you see after making the exposure looks great. It’s just that pre-exposure shot that lets me down.

I like seeing the exposure change when I manipulate the controls, particularly in dark situations. The thing I miss the most on this camera, is not having a focus point lock. My last three Nikon digital cameras had a little toggle switch to lock the focus point to where I want it to be, but my Z611 has a mind off its own and I keep finding the focus point has shifted from where I left it. This is one of the biggest complaints about this camera I’ve on various NIKON forums.

The number one most annoying thing for me is the “Sub selector” (joy stick). It’s placed right where your thumb hits it when you pick up the camera, and, for the most part does the exact same thing as the “Multi Selector” which is right below it. It sticks up and wiggles and you end up moving it by accident and that shifts the focus point all over the view finder. There is nothing it does that other controls don’t do, and I would disable it if that was an option. It’s not.

The day I received the camera our Symphony Orchestra called me to shoot part of their live concert that had changed in the one day since we shot the rehearsal. This camera has a silent mode that doesn’t make a sound. This was great to use in a situation where I had to deal with an audience. No one even knew I was taking pictures. This is great.

Also, on the plus side, this camera focuses blisteringly fast with my fast, professional lenses. It is the fastest focusing camera I have ever had. The manual for this camera was obviously written by someone who already knew all about it and thought they could leave out information and no one would be bothered. I’ve wasted lots of time trying to figure out things that were barely or incompletely explained.

Regrets about going mirrorless? No. It was time to go full frame and chuck the mirrors. Is it as great as some say? No. It gobbles batteries, the EVF has room for improvement, there are too many controls on the body and no focus lock. In time I will master it and use its many strengths to make great picture. I’m always up for a challenge.

What do others think?
Some thoughts about going mirrorless, which I did ... (show quote)


I was using mirror less in 2012 - so you are about 12 years LATE .....

I do still have 2 mirror cameras tho - each has it's place ....
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Apr 23, 2024 13:48:25   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
View thru the camera and not on the back screen. Thru the camera is still the best way to steady the camera (with out a tripod)

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Apr 23, 2024 14:00:37   #
marler1957 Loc: Marietta, GA
 
I have my custom controls setup so that I can just push the "reset button" which selects the center focus point.

If I am using tracking or the focus point is moved and I want to snap focus back to center to move to a different subject, then I just move my thumb off on AF-ON and push reset to move the focus to center.

Should be under "g2" in the custom settings menu on your Z6ii. Check out minute 28:00 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do0Va7wciTs for how Hudson Henry has his Z6ii setup.

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Apr 23, 2024 14:43:24   #
jcboy3
 
User ID wrote:
How is that different than an SLR ? Seems the same to me but I havent used an SLR in ages.

But OTOH the OPs complaint isnt really focus shifting and much as I love the Z, just like the OP I also wish I could nail that AF target into its position in the frame !


If you turn the camera off, the AF target will not move.

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Apr 23, 2024 14:44:42   #
Tote1940 Loc: Dallas
 
Z50 and. Zfc
Love silent mode, should be mandatory in press conferences.
Agree image not as good as on SLR , very difficult to manual focus, what saves the day are focus aid, a red outline.
Best feature see histogram and what you see is pretty much what you get.
A convert.

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Apr 23, 2024 14:47:12   #
jcboy3
 
Tote1940 wrote:
Z50 and. Zfc
Love silent mode, should be mandatory in press conferences.
Agree image not as good as on SLR , very difficult to manual focus, what saves the day are focus aid, a red outline.
Best feature see histogram and what you see is pretty much what you get.
A convert.


I find manual focus on mirrorless to be very easy. Focus peaking can quickly get you in the zone, and image magnification will let you nail focus if you're using a large aperture.

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Apr 23, 2024 15:22:51   #
User ID
 
jcboy3 wrote:
If you turn the camera off, the AF target will not move.

Yes but now you hafta turn it back on which is about the same "chore" as just pressing the OK button to recenter the target. Also, Im not in favor of beating up the power switch.

Suddenly, I am wondering if setting the sleep timer very short, like 5 sec, would protect the chosen AF target location without otherwise creating some new major inconvenience. This would certainly extend the battery charge.

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Apr 23, 2024 16:56:10   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
marler1957 wrote:
I have my custom controls setup so that I can just push the "reset button" which selects the center focus point.

If I am using tracking or the focus point is moved and I want to snap focus back to center to move to a different subject, then I just move my thumb off on AF-ON and push reset to move the focus to center.

Should be under "g2" in the custom settings menu on your Z6ii. Check out minute 28:00 at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Do0Va7wciTs for how Hudson Henry has his Z6ii setup.
I have my custom controls setup so that I can just... (show quote)

Thanks for this. I just got around to this last night and now have two programable buttons standing by to center that focus point.

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Apr 23, 2024 17:53:24   #
b top gun
 
All the Nikon DSLRs I owned, they all had that focus lock feature; because the Z6 II did not have that feature, I decided not to get one, I got a Z8 instead and it has that feature.
I see no IQ difference between images from my D850 and Z8, sometimes I take both with different lenses mounted and ready to go.
I tried using the focus peaking feature for manual focus on both the D850 and Z8, I prefer the other manual focus feature on the D850 over focus peaking, I find it quicker and more accurate for my purposes especially with Nikkor legacy glass as in old manual focus primes from film days.
Battery life can be a challenge with the Z8; typically I only turn it on when I want to get the shot. The D850, I can walk around a while and not be concerned about its battery. I have yet to attempt an in camera time lapse with the Z8; I have done a few with the D850 and with a near full charged battery can have the camera on and working for about 5 hours or longer.

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Apr 23, 2024 18:31:08   #
CamB Loc: Juneau, Alaska
 
b top gun wrote:
All the Nikon DSLRs I owned, they all had that focus lock feature; because the Z6 II did not have that feature, I decided not to get one, I got a Z8 instead and it has that feature.
I see no IQ difference between images from my D850 and Z8, sometimes I take both with different lenses mounted and ready to go.
I tried using the focus peaking feature for manual focus on both the D850 and Z8, I prefer the other manual focus feature on the D850 over focus peaking, I find it quicker and more accurate for my purposes especially with Nikkor legacy glass as in old manual focus primes from film days.
Battery life can be a challenge with the Z8; typically I only turn it on when I want to get the shot. The D850, I can walk around a while and not be concerned about its battery. I have yet to attempt an in camera time lapse with the Z8; I have done a few with the D850 and with a near full charged battery can have the camera on and working for about 5 hours or longer.
All the Nikon DSLRs I owned, they all had that foc... (show quote)

Good comments. Interesting post. Thanks.

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Apr 24, 2024 00:18:27   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CamB wrote:
BBF is all I ever use. Sometimes when I am waiting for the cello player to start or a whale to surface, my fingers will fiddle with the controls or ill push the BBF button and the camera will focus on something I dont want, then when the action starts and I lift the camera to my eye I find the focus point is not where I think it is going to be. Often when watching whales I want to lock the focus location so I know where it is going to be to catch the action. My D7500 and D300s have a toggle switch to lock that point in place. Not so on my new Z6. I guess I have to stop fiddling with the controls. Tough to do. I'm a fiddler.
BBF is all I ever use. Sometimes when I am waiting... (show quote)


Turn off the touch screen. If your nose or something hits it when you bring it to your eye the focus point will move to where you touched.

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Apr 24, 2024 01:23:52   #
ASTROBOO
 
CamB wrote:
Some thoughts about going mirrorless, which I did about a month and 3000 pictures ago. (Nikon Z611). The mirrorless viewfinder is both good and bad. While composing the shot, pre-exposure, the screen looks a bit wimpy and “digital”. It is not rich and saturated as a mirrored viewfinder and the contrast range is limited. The brights can look washed out even when the histogram (the little one in the viewfinder which I really like) is telling you the exposure is fine. The jpeg from your RAW file that you see after making the exposure looks great. It’s just that pre-exposure shot that lets me down.

I like seeing the exposure change when I manipulate the controls, particularly in dark situations. The thing I miss the most on this camera, is not having a focus point lock. My last three Nikon digital cameras had a little toggle switch to lock the focus point to where I want it to be, but my Z611 has a mind off its own and I keep finding the focus point has shifted from where I left it. This is one of the biggest complaints about this camera I’ve on various NIKON forums.

The number one most annoying thing for me is the “Sub selector” (joy stick). It’s placed right where your thumb hits it when you pick up the camera, and, for the most part does the exact same thing as the “Multi Selector” which is right below it. It sticks up and wiggles and you end up moving it by accident and that shifts the focus point all over the view finder. There is nothing it does that other controls don’t do, and I would disable it if that was an option. It’s not.

The day I received the camera our Symphony Orchestra called me to shoot part of their live concert that had changed in the one day since we shot the rehearsal. This camera has a silent mode that doesn’t make a sound. This was great to use in a situation where I had to deal with an audience. No one even knew I was taking pictures. This is great.

Also, on the plus side, this camera focuses blisteringly fast with my fast, professional lenses. It is the fastest focusing camera I have ever had. The manual for this camera was obviously written by someone who already knew all about it and thought they could leave out information and no one would be bothered. I’ve wasted lots of time trying to figure out things that were barely or incompletely explained.

Regrets about going mirrorless? No. It was time to go full frame and chuck the mirrors. Is it as great as some say? No. It gobbles batteries, the EVF has room for improvement, there are too many controls on the body and no focus lock. In time I will master it and use its many strengths to make great picture. I’m always up for a challenge.

What do others think?
Some thoughts about going mirrorless, which I did ... (show quote)


I've seen the mirrorless cameras and marveled at their size but that's about as far as it's gone using Nikon gear. To me the DSLR IS a mirrorless if I use the live view button the mirror is up, no vibration and using BBF I've yet to get poor shots. I shoot JPG unless I want to spend the time in Adobe to balance the image as I'd like to see it since RAW is definitely a much larger format to send in emails, etc. And the Nikon Zs won't accept the DSLR lenses...to me, not worthy of the change.

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Apr 24, 2024 01:36:10   #
User ID
 
ASTROBOO wrote:
........................................... And the Nikon Zs won't accept the DSLR lenses...........

He said WHAT ???!!?!?!!
He said WHAT ???!!?!?!!...
(Download)

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Apr 24, 2024 03:11:29   #
robertjerl Loc: Corona, California
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
Turn off the touch screen. If your nose or something hits it when you bring it to your eye the focus point will move to where you touched.


On my RP today I found my focus point in the lower right corner = where my nose or cheek would touch the screen. i now have touch turned off. I didn't use it after playing with it to see how it worked on the first day anyway.

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