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Apr 22, 2024 14:45:19   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
burkphoto wrote:
Is there value in slowing down? Yes. Digital technology has been approached far too often with a "Ready? FIRE!!! Uh, aim? WTF is 'aim'? mentality."

But is using film a solution? If you think it is, then it is for you.

I used film for 45 years. It worked fine. It was all we had. But because I navigated various career opportunities to running the digital side of a very large school portrait lab around 2000, I found parallel replacements to EVERY aspect of film photography I thought I might miss or need.

I was lucky to have the professional learning opportunities of Kodak Professional seminars, Digital Imaging Marketing Association seminars, and Photo Marketing Association International seminars from 1995 to 2010. The film world shrank as the digital world exploded, for all the right reasons. The perspective I gained in the lab and from training photographers to use digital capture instead of film capture has been very gratifying.

I still work with OLD film, by copying it to digital files. But I'll probably never see the inside of a darkroom again. I have zero interest in what, for me, is drudgery.

On the other hand, all the knowledge I gained from decades of film use transferred to digital photography just fine. I get what I want with much finer control, and more quickly, than with film. The advantages of digital bits over chemical atoms for practical imaging applications are far more numerous. The biggest one is that if you have a print, you can show it off in one place at a time, but if you digitize that image, it can be "everywhere all at once," with very little effort. And if you understand the nuances of digital printing, you can make excellent prints on a myriad of papers and other substrates.

If you value slowing down, deliberating, controlling, and thinking about what you're doing, you can train yourself to ignore all or some of the automation that you find on your digital camera. Spend more time planning, lighting, and composing the scenes you're photographing. All the same basic controls are there, just as they were half a century ago. They're just easier to use.
Is there value in slowing down? Yes. Digital techn... (show quote)


Hear, hear!

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Apr 22, 2024 14:54:12   #
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srt101fan wrote:
Isn't it time to stop comparing film and digital in terms of pros and cons, better or worse? Can't we just accept film as a way of creating photographic images that appeals to some? Do we agonize over the relative merits of violin and piano music?

For some, its just about making an image. For some others it seems to be about immortality.

Having no pix of my great great grandparents, I dont know what they looked like. I also dont know their names ... perhaps their wedding guest books were digital ?

I really dont know anything at all beyond my grandparents, all four of whom I knew in life. Im getting the impression, from some folks, that I should feel shortchanged by having no connection to ghosts. If one is not brought up to revere ghosts, one doesnt miss them.

I dont know who in my "tree" first left Africa, or first wandered into the frozen north. I dont know what happened five or ten generations ago so I guess ALL that stuff must have been digital, cuz its gone without a trace.

Beginning about fifty years ago, most newly made family snapshots were machine made C-prints. The only family images that will outlive those were made by "artistes" cuz "artistes" had BW home darkrooms. If there were no "artistes" in your family, then soon enuf you will never have existed !

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Apr 22, 2024 14:56:34   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
srt101fan wrote:
Isn't it time to stop comparing film and digital in terms of pros and cons, better or worse? Can't we just accept film as a way of creating photographic images that appeals to some? Do we agonize over the relative merits of violin and piano music?


Sure. I think that is what we are doing.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:01:27   #
BebuLamar
 
I want to use film from time to time. I hope more people use it so it won't be too expensive like now. I must say these.
1. Film isn't better than digital.
2. Film is good enough for me but I don't particularly like the film look (or any kind of look because I believe the look of some medium is its inherit shortcoming.)
3. I don't really care for the slowing down. In fact I shoot slowly whether it's film or digital. I don't shoot more when I shoot digital either.
4. Film doesn't last longer in my opinion. In fact in my opinion it won't last as long as digital.
But I want to use film because it's fun to use film. Only now it's way too expensive.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:05:18   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
terryMc wrote:
Some will tell us that since it's of no interest to them, it should be of no interest to anyone. I find that attitude curious, but rife.


Yep.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:05:55   #
Dean37 Loc: Fresno, CA
 
Being as to me a Fossil, I confess. I enjoy cameras they are machines and with film, you have to be more into the process. Of course it has handicapped me for digital photography, the "Each photo has to be near perfect because film costs too much to waste it on senseless things". I have to push myself to forget frugality and just go ahead and press the shutter button even if I suspect I need to change a setting and then make the change. I can just delete the one that I don't like. Old habits are hard to break. Then there are days when I just like the sound of the camera mirror and shutter flip flapping away, and "Let 'er rip" like a full automatic, after all just delete the ones you don't like.

I'll still use the film cameras, ON OCCASION!

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Apr 22, 2024 15:08:29   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
I want to use film from time to time. I hope more people use it so it won't be too expensive like now. I must say these.
1. Film isn't better than digital.
2. Film is good enough for me but I don't particularly like the film look (or any kind of look because I believe the look of some medium is its inherit shortcoming.)
3. I don't really care for the slowing down. In fact I shoot slowly whether it's film or digital. I don't shoot more when I shoot digital either.
4. Film doesn't last longer in my opinion. In fact in my opinion it won't last as long as digital.
But I want to use film because it's fun to use film. Only now it's way too expensive.
I want to use film from time to time. I hope more ... (show quote)

Many things that were great fun are now too expensive, especially fun cars and chocolate.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:12:14   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Ysarex wrote:
By 1988 I had long since made my career choices and was already working full-time in a college Art dept. as the photography instructor. Music was administratively housed under the Art dept. and I hung out there a lot. I wasn't real familiar with everything in the recording studio but I enjoyed helping out as I was involved with their hardware purchasing. They told me we need this and I bought it.

Over many decades I have amassed a library of between 2500 - 3000 CDs. I've seen public libraries with collections that are pitiful compared to mine. Long ago I stopped playing CDs and ripped everything to computer hard drives. The original CDs wound up in boxes stored in the guest bedroom -- that's a lot of boxes. My wife complained periodically but I had this hangup with the I've got to be legal thing -- had to have the originals. About a decade ago I finally got past that a gave 90% of them away. Still have two boxes of the ones I can't part with. The overwhelming majority of what I have has never been released on vinyl. 80% of my library goes poof! Oh no! If I was left with 20% in vinyl how would I listen to it? My entire library fits on a 2.5 inch solid state hard drive that fits in my shirt pocket. Earlier this evening I spent a delightful hour listening to the Krasni Quartet play Vissarion Shebalin string quartets -- wonderful! And not available on vinyl. My son laughs at his old man and his music library because it's all out there on streaming services. I've looked, he's right but I don't need them. One thing's for sure it's not out there on vinyl.
By 1988 I had long since made my career choices an... (show quote)


For the performer physical media - vinyl, then cassettes, then CDs - was a good thing because it represented a revenue stream.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:30:26   #
dbrugger25 Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2024 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


I am not a hipster but perhaps, at age 79 a fossil. I am very much into digital, having a Canon 5DMK4, an R5 and an R7 and many Canon lenses.

That being said, I have fond memories of shooting B & W film and doing my own processing. I had a Crown Graphic 4 X 5 and a Rolleiflex 2.8 D. I never relinquished the Rollei and am currently having it expertly restored. I recently bought and restored a Crown Graphic 4 X 5 "Special", and it looks and works like new.

I plan on doing my own processing of film and printing my photos in a darkroom. I will enjoy the process and will also keep doing digital. Film just gives another dimension to the art of photography. It is all good.

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Apr 22, 2024 15:34:46   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
dbrugger25 wrote:
I am not a hipster but perhaps, at age 79 a fossil. I am very much into digital, having a Canon 5DMK4, an R5 and an R7 and many Canon lenses.

That being said, I have fond memories of shooting B & W film and doing my own processing. I had a Crown Graphic 4 X 5 and a Rolleiflex 2.8 D. I never relinquished the Rollei and am currently having it expertly restored. I recently bought and restored a Crown Graphic 4 X 5 "Special", and it looks and works like new.

I plan on doing my own processing of film and printing my photos in a darkroom. I will enjoy the process and will also keep doing digital. Film just gives another dimension to the art of photography. It is all good.
I am not a hipster but perhaps, at age 79 a fossil... (show quote)


Although the examples are primarily from 35mm cameras, there is now a wealth of examples of available film stocks in 2024:

Film Photography

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Apr 22, 2024 17:57:32   #
les spencer
 
May I never have to revert to film...It was fun but not worth all the time, money & mess... No, I'm nor a "purest" just a lazy old man who loves his "digital" "point and shot"...:) :) :)

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Apr 22, 2024 18:59:04   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
As long as we’re discussing film, has anyone tried the CineStill 2 bath C-41 color negative processing chemicals? I’ve usually used the 4-5 chemical process, but this is getting excellent reviews and the pricing is very reasonable.
https://cinestillfilm.com/products/cs41-simplified-color-processing-at-home-quart-kit-c-41-chemistry?variant=30376678593

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Apr 22, 2024 19:10:37   #
GreenReaper
 
I spent 30 years as a photographer working for the Army (read civil service). I would spend hours in the darkroom, processing film, printing black & white and color along with transparencies. In spite of everything I enjoyed my work. I felt like to had value and I was always trying to improve my techniques, whether in the dark or behind the camera and I wouldn't trad those time for anything. Then digital came along, I assisted in drawing the U.S. Army kicking and screaming into the digital world. Yes, I had issues with it in the beginning. We had low grade software, believe it or not there were other vendors out there besides Adobe and it was in its infancy. Our computers were 208086 (?), limited RAM and speed running Windows 95. We finally upgraded to faster computers and went to Photoshop, it was a difficult change as PS had a STEEP learning curve! I locked my self in my office one day, took my phone off the hook and worked through the manual, yes, an actual printed manual! When I came out the other side I was convinced this was the only way to go. All of sudden I was able to do all the things that I had read about, but lacked the equipment and/or the expertise to make it happen. I eventually sold off all my darkroom equipment with the exception of a few items. Yes I can still shoot 4x5 and process the film in the kitchen sink with minimum effort. But now I will scan my film and work on it in either PS or LRC. I can sit there with the window open watching the world go by, my blues music softly playing and "two finger of Jack Daniels and a splash of branch water". Living in an RV and traveling about, my days in the dark are done. Yes, I have all my cameras, but now they are displayed as a collection in my living room.

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Apr 22, 2024 19:50:51   #
SteveFranz Loc: Durham, NC
 
User ID wrote:
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creative notions cooking between their ears, they can imagine themselves more creative if their "creative process" involves an excessive amount of process.

Unfortunately, "process" is not the creative half of the term "creative process". IOW more process tips the balance AWAY from creativity.

Theres nothing creative about spooling up film reels, mixing chemicals, loading or unloading cameras, etc. Worse yet is a life tied to the need for darkness, plumbing, and ventilation. Analog photography is a ball and chain, not a liberator of creative minds.
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creat... (show quote)


But it's very satisfying to see an image form on a blank sheet of paper or film.

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Apr 22, 2024 19:51:30   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
TriX wrote:
As long as we’re discussing film, has anyone tried the CineStill 2 bath C-41 color negative processing chemicals? I’ve usually used the 4-5 chemical process, but this is getting excellent reviews and the pricing is very reasonable.
https://cinestillfilm.com/products/cs41-simplified-color-processing-at-home-quart-kit-c-41-chemistry?variant=30376678593


Look for YouTube reviews of it. I remember watching a couple of them.

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