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Apr 22, 2024 09:08:21   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
I don't care if anyone wants to use film. Whatever turns them on. It would just be a waste of my time and money for what I consider to be inferior results.

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Apr 22, 2024 09:17:51   #
alberio Loc: Casa Grande AZ
 
I know of nobody that yearns to go back to film when shooting astrophotography. Talk about tedious, frustrating, time consuming process, that ends with very few usable photos. I started with a Nikon F and wasted more film, getting very few results that anybody would give a second look. As soon as digital showed up that changed everything for me, and the astrophotography community. There are amateur astrophotographers who are getting images that equal or surpass the ones produced by the large observatories. I'd bet the James Web doesn't use film.

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Apr 22, 2024 09:17:52   #
Canisdirus
 
Ilford is hardly objective...it's in their interests to do the survey.

I don't doubt that film has gotten a small bump...but it's nostalgia...certainly not convenience...nor control.

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Apr 22, 2024 09:21:34   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The only people shooting film in 2024 are fossils, the idle rich and hipsters from Brooklyn.


I shoot B/W film for archival purposes. I have 90 year old prints that are sharp and interesting from the perspective of seeing a different place in time. Hopefully my descendants will have this opportunity.

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Apr 22, 2024 09:27:36   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
DaveyDitzer wrote:
I shoot B/W film for archival purposes. I have 90 year old prints that are sharp and interesting from the perspective of seeing a different place in time. Hopefully my descendants will have this opportunity.


I'm pretty sure that when I'm gone, all of my archived film from the past will go to the dump. My descendants will probably not know what to do with it or have the means to do anything with it. I've scanned all of it. I'm trying to pick out some photos of the family that future generations might be interested in. "Might" is the key word. No one in my family at this point seems even remotely interested in any of my pictures taken before they were born. Perhaps your situation is different.

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Apr 22, 2024 09:49:25   #
Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills
 
therwol wrote:
Which one are you?


Neither; I am both. Mostly digital, but am enjoying shooting B&W with a Hasselblad. In high school, I cut my teeth shooting a Rolleifex, owned by the high school yearbook. I stumbled back into film when I bought a Rollei and a Hasselblad for household decor, on a wall with some of my pictures. The Rollei and Hasselblad are pieces of art by themselves, and displayed on floating glass shelves with some of my framed photos adds depth and interest. I fiddled around with the Hasselblad and watched some videos until I learned how to use it. Then I shot some test photos to compare the image quality and sharpness to my Sony A7Riv. I made several discoveries from the standpoint of results and process. At an ISO of 125, the image quality of the Hasselblad was impressive and comparable to my Sony. (At an ISO of 400, well, not so much.) The process of shooting with the Hasselblad is difficult to describe, but I'll give it a shot. There is something very tactile about shooting film with the Hasselblad. It's a mechanical marvel and it's like driving an elegant car...but more rewarding than the car. The process of shooting a picture slows down and requires some different skills than digital cameras. It's also a nostalgic experience. Having said that, shooting film AND (not "or") digital are not mutually exclusive. I'll continue using my digital cameras as I have in the past, but I will use and enjoy my Hasselblad, as well. Shooting digital and film are different experiences, albeit complementary. Hope you all find this of some interest...thanks for "listening!"

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Apr 22, 2024 10:05:06   #
Peteso Loc: Blacks Hills
 
therwol wrote:
Which one are you?


Neither; I am both. Mostly digital, but am enjoying shooting B&W with a Hasselblad. In high school, I cut my teeth shooting a Rolleifex, owned by the high school yearbook. I stumbled back into film when I bought a Rollei and a Hasselblad for household decor, on a wall with some of my pictures. The Rollei and Hasselblad are pieces of art by themselves, and displayed on floating glass shelves with some of my framed photos adds depth and interest. I fiddled around with the Hasselblad and watched some videos until I learned how to use it. Then I shot some test photos to compare the image quality and sharpness to my Sony A7Riv. I made several discoveries from the standpoint of results and process. At an ISO of 125, the image quality of the Hasselblad was impressive and comparable to my Sony. (At an ISO of 400, well, not so much.) The process of shooting with the Hasselblad is difficult to describe, but I'll give it a shot. There is something very tactile about shooting film with the Hasselblad. It's a mechanical marvel and it's like driving an elegant car...but more rewarding than the car. The process of shooting a picture slows down and requires some different skills than digital cameras. It's also a nostalgic experience. Having said that, shooting film AND (not "or") digital are not mutually exclusive. I'll continue using my digital cameras as I have in the past, but I will use and enjoy my Hasselblad, as well. Shooting digital and film are different experiences, albeit complementary. Hope you all find this of some interest...thanks for "listening!"

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Apr 22, 2024 10:14:02   #
anotherview Loc: California
 
Film versus digital, again. Yet, in the march of Time, film photography has become irreversibly passe.

Digital photography now predominates and thrives for offering the photographer way more control over the process of producing worthy photographs.

Little mentioned in this duality, the field of photography has opened to millions more of snap shooters who utilize their built-in cellular telephone camera to take pictures instantly available for viewing and sharing via the Internet.

In addition, digital photo software can later apply a filter to a given color photograph to render it as black-and-white.

Film photography (looking back) has laid the basis for consideration of photography as an artform. The historians of photography say the expressions and techniques of digital photograph rest on the shoulders of film photography.
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Interesting article (link to follow in the next post.)

Excerpts:

"According to camera maker Ilford’s 2018 global photography survey, just under a quarter of people shooting on film – including many under the age of 40 – had never used this medium before. Rather than nostalgia, they are turning to film because of its aesthetic values and a greater sense of creative control over their photos. Globally, while the film camera market is still very niche, it’s growing fast."

"Work, effort, meaning – these ideas are all interconnected for users and consumers of analogue technology. Whereas work is often seen as a means to an end, from earning a living to exercising, “analoguers” get a buzz out of the processes of setting things up, getting things right, trial and error, and building up skills."

"Over the decade or so of our research, explanations for the analogue revival have shifted from nostalgia, to the desire for something physical in a digital age, to the sense that analogue technology is creatively preferable. The idea that working within limits, and needing to overcome them, is beneficial to art creation is now accepted by many within the creative sectors."

"Is digital technology de-skilling consumers, leading to a sense of alienation? And is this overcome by using more difficult analogue devices? This is the conclusion we have come to. Certain types of “serious leisure”, including sports and creative activities, provide us with intrinsic joy even if they are frustrating to engage in until skills are developed. Using analogue technology is another way consumers can feed this desire to re-skill."
Interesting article (link to follow in the next po... (show quote)

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Apr 22, 2024 11:22:35   #
george19
 
charles brown wrote:
In my film days I had a growing family and buying film for my Canon Ftb was not at the top of my priority list. When I did take pictures, I had to make sure that I got it right as I could ill afford many mistakes. Also, I often had to use the same roll of film for many different types of photographs. When digital came along the first thing that excited me was the ability to change camera settings at any time, especially ISO, and not have to photograph everything using he same setting.


TLb, but yeah…exactly that.

Composition, exposure, focus…one chance to get it right.

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Apr 22, 2024 11:41:00   #
Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area
 
User ID wrote:
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creative notions cooking between their ears, they can imagine themselves more creative if their "creative process" involves an excessive amount of process.

Unfortunately, "process" is not the creative half of the term "creative process". IOW more process tips the balance AWAY from creativity.

Theres nothing creative about spooling up film reels, mixing chemicals, loading or unloading cameras, etc. Worse yet is a life tied to the need for darkness, plumbing, and ventilation. Analog photography is a ball and chain, not a liberator of creative minds.
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creat... (show quote)


Spot on!

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Apr 22, 2024 11:58:08   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
There's only you and your camera, guess you forgot the film again?


No, but I left the card back at the hotel in the card reader...

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Apr 22, 2024 12:03:06   #
10MPlayer Loc: California
 
User ID wrote:
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creative notions cooking between their ears, they can imagine themselves more creative if their "creative process" involves an excessive amount of process.

Unfortunately, "process" is not the creative half of the term "creative process". IOW more process tips the balance AWAY from creativity.

Theres nothing creative about spooling up film reels, mixing chemicals, loading or unloading cameras, etc. Worse yet is a life tied to the need for darkness, plumbing, and ventilation. Analog photography is a ball and chain, not a liberator of creative minds.
Even for those who seldom, if ever, have any creat... (show quote)


You make some good points. In the quoted article the writer mentions film users having more control over the image. Really? How. I can do so many things in Photoshop or even Lightroom that I could never approach on film. In my film days I recall using a paintbrush to paint out dust spots or other odd blemishes. In LR all I have to do is click a button. I'd spend hours at a time experimenting with darkroom exposure and development times. I don't miss it.

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Apr 22, 2024 12:04:49   #
TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC
 
I’ll just add that to my eye, the resolution from my medium format film camera (Mamiya RB67 Pro S) is superior to any of my digital cameras. Plus for B&W, personally, I prefer the look of a silver halide print. I do shoot mostly digital, but, I still have my film cameras and darkroom.

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Apr 22, 2024 12:05:58   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
…Whether or not you use film is there value in slowing down and welcoming "happy accidents?"


Is there value in slowing down? Yes. Digital technology has been approached far too often with a "Ready? FIRE!!! Uh, aim? WTF is 'aim'? mentality."

But is using film a solution? If you think it is, then it is for you.

I used film for 45 years. It worked fine. It was all we had. But because I navigated various career opportunities to running the digital side of a very large school portrait lab around 2000, I found parallel replacements to EVERY aspect of film photography I thought I might miss or need.

I was lucky to have the professional learning opportunities of Kodak Professional seminars, Digital Imaging Marketing Association seminars, and Photo Marketing Association International seminars from 1995 to 2010. The film world shrank as the digital world exploded, for all the right reasons. The perspective I gained in the lab and from training photographers to use digital capture instead of film capture has been very gratifying.

I still work with OLD film, by copying it to digital files. But I'll probably never see the inside of a darkroom again. I have zero interest in what, for me, is drudgery.

On the other hand, all the knowledge I gained from decades of film use transferred to digital photography just fine. I get what I want with much finer control, and more quickly, than with film. The advantages of digital bits over chemical atoms for practical imaging applications are far more numerous. The biggest one is that if you have a print, you can show it off in one place at a time, but if you digitize that image, it can be "everywhere all at once," with very little effort. And if you understand the nuances of digital printing, you can make excellent prints on a myriad of papers and other substrates.

If you value slowing down, deliberating, controlling, and thinking about what you're doing, you can train yourself to ignore all or some of the automation that you find on your digital camera. Spend more time planning, lighting, and composing the scenes you're photographing. All the same basic controls are there, just as they were half a century ago. They're just easier to use.

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Apr 22, 2024 12:27:01   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You are one of the exceptions I mentioned; I just didn't want to name names

How 'bout this ninebark? https://flic.kr/p/2mP4Vbj Exquisite beauty!

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Thanks. That's almost a ten bark.

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