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Apr 21, 2024 23:29:14   #
Jerry Coupe Loc: Kent, WA
 
A few years ago I was given a Mamiya RB67 Professional with a 90mm lens.

Just recently I loaded a roll of film and have exposed 9 frames so far. I will send it out for development and have the frames scanned so I can work with them in LR or PS. I do not plan to shoot film too often, but it is intriguing to me at this time.

Nice thing is, WE HAVE A CHOICE, and it is not right or wrong, either way.

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Apr 21, 2024 23:31:03   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Ysarex wrote:
Music is a major part of my life -- considered it as a career long ago, and listening to music now is of daily critical importance to me. The deprivation and impoverishment I would experience if I had to rely on vinyl is intolerable to imagine.


Back in 1988 when Sony came out with their digital tape recorder that changed everything. Before that the big reel to reel audio tapes were expensive and only ran for about 15 minutes. The machine was expensive and fussy. The with R-DAT we could record for hours on a 6 dollar tape with no distortion ad then "look" at it and edit it on a computer screen. That was exciting. A good room, a good mic and an R-DAT deck and you had a studio. It was heaven.

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Apr 21, 2024 23:35:56   #
User ID
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Back in 1988 when Sony came out with their digital tape recorder that changed everything. Before that the big reel to reel audio tapes were expensive and only ran for about 15 minutes. The machine was expensive and fussy. The with R-DAT we could record for hours on a 6 dollar tape with no distortion ad then "look" at it and edit it on a computer screen. That was exciting. A good room, a good mic and an R-DAT deck and you had a studio. It was heaven.

And now it fits in your pocket and costs about the same as a kit lens.

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Apr 21, 2024 23:38:16   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
User ID wrote:
The act of documenting something is just one excuse for making images. Any excuse is just as good as the next. If your documentation is also *interpretive*, then you are creating as well as documenting. One need not proceed from a blank canvas to be creative. OTOH, if you dont really care to interpret your subject then yes, youre a straight up documentarian.


I do try to make it pretty - find the best example, include some of the surroundings for context, add light, compose the frame, etc.

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Apr 22, 2024 01:28:23   #
Ysarex Loc: St. Louis
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Back in 1988 when Sony came out with their digital tape recorder that changed everything. Before that the big reel to reel audio tapes were expensive and only ran for about 15 minutes. The machine was expensive and fussy. The with R-DAT we could record for hours on a 6 dollar tape with no distortion ad then "look" at it and edit it on a computer screen. That was exciting. A good room, a good mic and an R-DAT deck and you had a studio. It was heaven.

By 1988 I had long since made my career choices and was already working full-time in a college Art dept. as the photography instructor. Music was administratively housed under the Art dept. and I hung out there a lot. I wasn't real familiar with everything in the recording studio but I enjoyed helping out as I was involved with their hardware purchasing. They told me we need this and I bought it.

Over many decades I have amassed a library of between 2500 - 3000 CDs. I've seen public libraries with collections that are pitiful compared to mine. Long ago I stopped playing CDs and ripped everything to computer hard drives. The original CDs wound up in boxes stored in the guest bedroom -- that's a lot of boxes. My wife complained periodically but I had this hangup with the I've got to be legal thing -- had to have the originals. About a decade ago I finally got past that a gave 90% of them away. Still have two boxes of the ones I can't part with. The overwhelming majority of what I have has never been released on vinyl. 80% of my library goes poof! Oh no! If I was left with 20% in vinyl how would I listen to it? My entire library fits on a 2.5 inch solid state hard drive that fits in my shirt pocket. Earlier this evening I spent a delightful hour listening to the Krasni Quartet play Vissarion Shebalin string quartets -- wonderful! And not available on vinyl. My son laughs at his old man and his music library because it's all out there on streaming services. I've looked, he's right but I don't need them. One thing's for sure it's not out there on vinyl.

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Apr 22, 2024 05:44:43   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
User ID wrote:
And as a documentarian, you would have no reason to play with film. Digital suits the job. Just imagine the Hubbel parachuting tons of Ektachrome down to JPL every day !

Of course, Hubble doesn't do that.

But back in the 1960s, satellite images were captured on film, developed and scanned in space. Your tax dollars at work.

It didn't take long for Kodak to realized that digital sensors would be a much better way to go.

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Apr 22, 2024 05:59:59   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Interesting article (link to follow in the next post.)

Excerpts:

"According to camera maker Ilford’s 2018 global photography survey, just under a quarter of people shooting on film – including many under the age of 40 – had never used this medium before. Rather than nostalgia, they are turning to film because of its aesthetic values and a greater sense of creative control over their photos. Globally, while the film camera market is still very niche, it’s growing fast."

"Work, effort, meaning – these ideas are all interconnected for users and consumers of analogue technology. Whereas work is often seen as a means to an end, from earning a living to exercising, “analoguers” get a buzz out of the processes of setting things up, getting things right, trial and error, and building up skills."

"Over the decade or so of our research, explanations for the analogue revival have shifted from nostalgia, to the desire for something physical in a digital age, to the sense that analogue technology is creatively preferable. The idea that working within limits, and needing to overcome them, is beneficial to art creation is now accepted by many within the creative sectors."

"Is digital technology de-skilling consumers, leading to a sense of alienation? And is this overcome by using more difficult analogue devices? This is the conclusion we have come to. Certain types of “serious leisure”, including sports and creative activities, provide us with intrinsic joy even if they are frustrating to engage in until skills are developed. Using analogue technology is another way consumers can feed this desire to re-skill."
Interesting article (link to follow in the next po... (show quote)


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Apr 22, 2024 06:11:13   #
BebuLamar
 
For whatever reason I like people to use film so the film manufacturers have incentive to continue making film.

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Apr 22, 2024 06:31:19   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I do try to make it pretty - find the best example, include some of the surroundings for context, add light, compose the frame, etc.
You are one of the exceptions I mentioned; I just didn't want to name names

How 'bout this ninebark? https://flic.kr/p/2mP4Vbj Exquisite beauty!

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Apr 22, 2024 06:55:23   #
DRM Loc: NC
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Hard work and happy accidents: why do so many of us prefer ‘difficult’ analogue technology?

https://theconversation.com/hard-work-and-happy-accidents-why-do-so-many-of-us-prefer-difficult-analogue-technology-227472

One photographer they interviewed on the topic of working with film:

"I like the pace of it, it really slows you down. Your options to take pictures are really limited – you’ve only got two-to-six shots, and the film and processing are expensive. It’s also very labor-intensive getting that shot from inside the camera to print, so you’re really conscious of getting it right. If you make a mistake at the beginning, you can invest a few days and it’s still going to be a rubbish shot. You’re not going to fire off 1,000 pictures like digital, and that really appeals to me."

Whether or not you use film is there value in slowing down and welcoming "happy accidents?"
Hard work and happy accidents: why do so many of u... (show quote)


I still sell several images from my film days (landscapes from 2006 and before, shot primarily on Fujichrome Velvia 50). Far more of my sales are images from digital cameras ranging from an 8mp Canon 20D to the 45mp R5. In conversation with customers and camera enthusiasts who visit the gallery, I often tell them that, for me, film was much more rewarding because it was more difficult, more demanding. Digital, on the other hand, is far more productive in terms of creating quality images; it's far easier, far more forgiving than my slide film.

If/when I "age out" of actively selling, I might drag out my favorite film camera for fun. As long as I am selling, however, give me digital, and mirrorless.

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Apr 22, 2024 07:09:16   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
There's only you and your camera, guess you forgot the film again?

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Apr 22, 2024 07:41:35   #
Scruples Loc: Brooklyn, New York
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
…Interesting article…


Excellent ! Thank you for sharing..

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Apr 22, 2024 08:11:31   #
efnelson
 
In defense of documentors, a picture of your mother at age 14 is priceless regardless of whether it was "artfully" composed or not.

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Apr 22, 2024 08:22:35   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
efnelson wrote:
In defense of documentors, a picture of your mother at age 14 is priceless regardless of whether it was "artfully" composed or not.
"Documentors" need no defending, especially in the category of irreplaceable and dear memories of loved ones.

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Apr 22, 2024 08:27:48   #
agillot
 
It s a little like driving a classic car , just tradition .

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