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Apr 21, 2024 15:34:15   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
fantom wrote:
FYI, according to my dictionary the definitions of abolishment and absolution are the same. After reading your elitist comment on the subject I consulted the dictionary to confirm my belief.

After I did that I decided to not read anymore of your self-serving proclamations and do not plan to read anymore in future posts. My laugh quotient for the day has been exceeded.




Ha! Very good. You got me. I'd never seen the word and was too lazy to look it up.

Elitist? Wow. I will take that as a compliment.

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Apr 21, 2024 15:37:04   #
Mac Loc: Pittsburgh, Philadelphia now Hernando Co. Fl.
 
Longshadow wrote:
Yea, that's not "political", simply factual.

There are other places I care not to go to. Not just NYC.


And not just NYC. Every major city has areas to avoid. That doesn’t mean the entire city needs to be avoided.

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Apr 21, 2024 16:14:51   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Mac wrote:
And not just NYC. Every major city has areas to avoid. That doesn’t mean the entire city needs to be avoided.

That's very true. The more people, the greater the propensity.
Unfortunately the [i]whole city[i/] will get the bad rap.
I'll surmise that larger cities have larger/more areas that are so.
Baltimore is another...

Example

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Apr 21, 2024 16:15:45   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Longshadow wrote:
Statistics to prove that?

For some reason I don't believe your statement.

And "safe" always depends on the <sub> area of the urban area. Some are worse than others.


Yes, it depends on the area and some areas are worse than others. It also depends upon your age, race and wealth.

"A new study published in Journal of the American Medical Association’s Surgery found that firearm deaths are more likely in small rural towns than in major urban cities, adding to research that contradicts common belief that Democratic blue areas have higher incidences of gun-related deaths than do Republican red districts."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/ariannajohnson/2023/04/28/red-states-have-higher-gun-death-rates-than-blue-states-heres-why/?sh=5e66e4b1f812

"Republicans claim Democrats can’t keep us safe – crime data disagrees"

"Studies show that states with higher murder rates are those that vote red even as conservatives stoke fear about crime."

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/30/murder-rates-democrat-republican-states-gun-control

Rural communities are experiencing high rates of gun violence

• From 2016 to 2020, the two U.S. counties to experience the most gun homicides per capita were rural:* (see Figure 1)

Phillips County, Arkansas: 55.45 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

Lowndes County, Alabama: 48.36 age-adjusted homicides per 100,000 people

• From 2016 to 2020, 13 of the 20 U.S. counties with the most gun homicides per capita were rural: (see Figure 1)
80 percent of these 20 counties are in states that received an “F” grade for their weak gun laws, according to Giffords Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence’s 2021 annual state scorecard rankings.

• In 2020, the total gun death rate for rural communities—when age-adjusted per 100,000 people—was 40 percent higher than it was for large metropolitan areas.

Media attention on large cities misrepresents the reality of gun violence in the United States

• Despite negative media attention, many large cities are proportionately safer from gun violence than their rural counterparts:

Chicago is within Cook County, which ranks 79th for firearm homicide rates.

Philadelphia County ranks 38th for firearm homicide rates.

The five counties that encompass New York City rank between 360th and 521st for firearm homicide rates:
New York County (Manhattan) ranks 521st.
Kings County (Brooklyn) ranks 404th.
Bronx County (Bronx) ranks 360th.
Richmond County (Staten Island) ranks 488th.
Queens County (Queens) ranks 502nd.
Los Angeles County ranks 316th for firearm homicide rates.

Southern and Midwestern states with loose gun laws and large rural populations have contributed to a rise in gun homicides

• Southern and Midwestern states—such as Arizona, Arkansas, and Missouri—have drastically contributed to the more than 100-fold relative increase in gun homicide rates from 2014 to 2019:

Rural areas in Arizona and North Carolina have outpaced their large metropolitan counterparts; in fact, gun homicide rates in rural Arizona were 14 percent higher than they were in the state’s large metropolitan areas from 2016 to 2020.

Gun homicide rates in rural North Carolina were 76 percent higher than they were in large North Carolina metropolitan areas from 2016 to 2020.

Gun violence continues to damage the lives of citizens across the nation, but our political leaders have the ability to prevent the senseless losses of lives. Unfortunately, pro-gun political leaders have failed to enact commonsense gun violence prevention measures that can save lives and have actively made it easier for guns to fall into the wrong hands. It is easy for these same leaders and the media to criticize urban, Democrat-led counties, but the truth is that rural communities within several Republican-led states have experienced a level of gun homicides that matches or outpaces that of their urban neighbors. It is time for political leaders to show their constituents that their lives matter and push for commonsense gun laws.

https://www.americanprogress.org/article/gun-violence-in-rural-america/

Gun Violence Isn’t Just a City Problem

"Between 2011 and 2021, the overall firearm death rate in rural counties was nearly 40 percent higher than in urban counterparts. Politicians and news media coverage have fueled a widespread belief that gun violence primarily affects urban communities. But researchers are urging the public to understand that shootings are a universal issue — and that many rural Americans experience higher rates of gun death than their big-city counterparts."

https://www.thetrace.org/2023/05/gun-death-rate-america-urban-rural/

Granted, this topic is a political football.

This is from a pretty even-handed article. What was it Mark Twain said? "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

"For the past two years, several think tanks on opposite sides of the political divide have waged war over whether 'red' or 'blue' America has a worse crime problem. Commentators on the left have pointed out that red states have higher homicide rates than blue states, while those on the right have noted that the relationship is more nuanced and can easily flip at a more local level: red-state crime problems are often concentrated in blue cities, and red counties have lower murder rates than blue counties."

"It seems to us that it would be far more productive to spend that time and effort debating the merits of actual policies, as opposed to measuring the effect of partisan leanings in the population. Democrats say that lax Republican gun laws drive up murder; Republicans say that Democratic mishandling of policing and prosecution is what really matters. Though our cross-sectional data are not suited to studying these hypotheses—for one thing, police staffing and gun ownership can change in response to crime, in addition to whatever effect they have on crime—there are large and important academic literatures on both topics."

"Let’s have those discussions, rather than interminably going back and forth over whose constituents are more violent. The U.S. certainly has more than enough murders to go around."

https://manhattan.institute/article/red-vs-blue-crime-debate-and-the-limits-of-empirical-social-science

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Apr 21, 2024 16:17:26   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Quote:
That's very true. The more people, the greater the propensity.
Unfortunately the whole city will get the bad rap.
I'll surmise that larger cities have larger-more areas that are so.
Baltimore is another...


Where there are more people there will be more of everything. That doesn't mean there is more per capita.

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Apr 21, 2024 16:22:37   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Yes, it depends on the area and some areas are worse than others. It also depends upon your age, race and wealth.
...
...

I wonder why there is so many on the Philly news.
Most I saw for one day: five shootings.
(Most for Ephrata, PA: 0)
(I don't follow other cities though.)

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Apr 21, 2024 16:34:16   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Another report...

At least NYC and Philly didn't make the top ten........
But that simply means there not AS dangerous as other cities.

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Apr 21, 2024 16:36:28   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Where there are more people there will be more of everything. That doesn't mean there is more per capita.

Possibly, it depends on how the statistics are presented.
One can prove anything with statistics.

Then there are the safest states, Vermont, followed by Maine.

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Apr 21, 2024 17:00:02   #
SteveR Loc: Michigan
 
To anybody who thinks that kids have the Constitutional right to take guns to school....Sayonara!!

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Apr 21, 2024 17:07:33   #
wmurnahan Loc: Bloomington IN
 
JohnR wrote:
Been an interesting few years subscribing to UHH but its become far too vitriolic with members criticizing posts quite unhelpfully simply to boost their own over inflated egos. Suppose its only to be expected though in a country where children have the Constitutional Right to take guns to school to kill their teacher and other pupils! Yes and elect a criminal con merchant as President.

Keep well those who do not fit this profile.

Cheers JohnR


UHH is an international group so not sure what you mean by "in a country"?

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Apr 21, 2024 17:32:17   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
SteveR wrote:
To anybody who thinks that kids have the Constitutional right to take guns to school....Sayonara!!


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Apr 21, 2024 17:52:13   #
Sidwalkastronomy Loc: New Jersey Shore
 
SteveR wrote:
To anybody who thinks that kids have the Constitutional right to take guns to school....Sayonara!!


My both cousins took rifles to school. Both were on rifle team and had to give coach their bullets. Born in late 50s

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Apr 21, 2024 19:42:05   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
That is a myth. Rural areas often have higher crime rates than urban areas, and among urban areas New York is comparatively safe. The endless fear mongering about crime is good for TV ratings and for the campaigns of dishonest politicians, but it does the public a real disservice.

So, yes, the fear mongering about crime, and about cities, is driven by politics and also by commercial interests. It is certainly not "factual."


WHAT... Do we live in the same country .... I came from a metropolitan area and live in RURAL Alabama now that I am retired.... Major crime is almost non existent out here in the " Sticks ". It's actually a lot WORSE than the media reports in the big cities... Woke media censors the real stuff.

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Apr 21, 2024 21:04:34   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
MrBob wrote:
WHAT... Do we live in the same country .... I came from a metropolitan area and live in RURAL Alabama now that I am retired.... Major crime is almost non existent out here in the " Sticks ". It's actually a lot WORSE than the media reports in the big cities... Woke media censors the real stuff.


Of course there is more crime where there are more people. Alabama fares better than the other southern states, by the way.

https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-least-and-most-crime/

In regards to "woke media," crime is dramatically down across the country over the last 4 decades, but hair on fire coverage of crime in the media is dramatically up. So much for "woke media." The news is driven by profit, not ideology. Keeping us at each others throats and scared half to death drives engagement and that drives revenue. Don't fall for it.

I have fond memories of Alabama. I also have some fond memories of the Michigan football team's victory over the Tide this year.

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Apr 22, 2024 07:33:58   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
Most dangerous cities -

https://realestate.usnews.com/places/rankings/most-dangerous-places

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