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Apr 17, 2024 22:58:27   #
b top gun
 
Nothing like autumn in Alaska; and by then most all the bugs are gone too!!! Seeing the Alaska Range from near 100 miles away is amazing especially when THE mountain (Denali) is not hidden by weather. By the way, I used my Samsung S22+ regularly as well.

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Apr 17, 2024 22:58:36   #
Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV
 
b top gun wrote:
I took both a D850 and a Z8 to Alaska last September; as far as IQ, in simply viewing the images I challenge anyone to tell me which camera was used to get the shot. For me, the proof is on paper so to speak. While the Z8 is the newer kid on the block, the D850 still delivers. Multiple images from both have been enlarged to 24 x 36 and greater with little to no apparent loss of detail. Both cameras used the same Nikkor F mount lenses, a 24-70 and a 70-200, f/2.8s; you do need very good glass for both bodies to shine. It is complete rubbish to think a DSLR is no longer capable of excellent images because it has a mirror! Yes, the Z8 may outshine the D850 when it comes to certain wildlife moments. I have several manual focus Nikkor glass from film days and do prefer that glass on the D850. What I like about those big NEF files, I can do some cropping and still get excellent results.
I took both a D850 and a Z8 to Alaska last Septemb... (show quote)



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Apr 18, 2024 05:17:03   #
tcthome Loc: NJ
 
Retired CPO wrote:
Buy a D850! Trust me, you won't regret it!


Or Z with an adaptor!

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Apr 18, 2024 07:01:24   #
Bultaco Loc: Aiken, SC
 
The OP asked about upscaling a few responded to the question.
The majority of the posts gave examples of cameras with hi res.
Why???????

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Apr 18, 2024 07:14:21   #
dpullum Loc: Tampa Florida
 
1. Display and Perception. On a 50"TV.... On Monitor... Printed... on a billboard. The fine points disappear. Human eye, can not perceive fine points that Pixel Pickers instrumentation sees.
2. My excellent 2001 Kodak DC 4800 with a fly speck sensor was the first to achieve 3.1 mp RAW... a copped JPEG was cleaned with Topaz and Sharpened, both AI. Then enlarged with Topaz Megapixel AI. The resulting image printed an 8x10 image beautifully... I was amazed.

I agree... as MJPerini said: "I have made absolutely gorgeous prints from 8MP & 12MP cameras "

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Apr 18, 2024 07:31:23   #
BebuLamar
 
Bultaco wrote:
The OP asked about upscaling a few responded to the question.
The majority of the posts gave examples of cameras with hi res.
Why???????


Really upscaling would make the file size larger so it's not a substitute for larger file size.

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Apr 18, 2024 07:56:29   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
Nantahalan wrote:
If I want to improve a Nikon D500 image (20.5 mb), can it be made comparable to that of a D850 (45.4 mb)?

If so, how? Is that equally so for JPEG and RAW formats?

What are the trade offs?

Many thanks! I feel the way I did in analyzing family finances to pay for three undergraduate degrees at state schools in NC. The goals were for all of us to be debt free when they graduated. The kids were 1, 4, and 8. I could define various goals, factors, and assumptions. But I was never confident in my ability to set up the equations accurately. FYI the Andrew Tobias Managing Your Money program had a fill-in-the-blank section that handled it well. The upshot was that I needed to make more money and I figured the potential of my day job exceeded that of any side enterprises.
If I want to improve a Nikon D500 image (20.5 mb),... (show quote)


TOPAZ GIGAPIXEL

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Apr 18, 2024 09:14:44   #
SkyKing Loc: Thompson Ridge, NY
 
“As far as $$ goes, no one better than than the legendary John Bogle, the founder of Vanguard and leading proponent of index investing. Take a look at Bogleheads.com...his principles have been proven time and time again. He far eclipses any other figure in the financial world.”

…I drank the cool aid…I’m a Boglehead…!!!

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Apr 18, 2024 10:17:16   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
Nantahalan wrote:
Thanks. I was hoping you’d comment. I appreciate your knowledge and clarity.


Thanks, glad to help!

Hopefully, you see the importance of <quote reply> for these types of posts...

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Apr 18, 2024 11:08:14   #
neillaubenthal
 
ken_stern wrote:

PS: For the fellow that started this thread - "IF" you have the $$ & since the camera companies have convinced many of us that "Mirrorless" is better so the 850 is selling for much less then it's really worth -- BUY IT!!!


Ken…in reality generally speaking mirrorless cameras will produce more good pictures than a DSLR for a given photographer’s capabilities…but that improvement is almost completely not due to the lack of a mirror. True…the lack of a mirror box allows shorter flange to sensor distance and a wider throat…and those combine with ever more sophisticated design software to allow better lens design, then adding in new/improved coatings and glass types…and current gen MILC lenses are better than their DSLR counterparts in addition to size and weight benefits. But…the vast majority…IMO…of improvements in MILC have little to do with a mirror or not…better sensors, faster processors, better AF algorithms and subject detection can’t help but more and better keepers on the card than slower FPS and AF in DSLRs…but it’s a matter of tech evolution and mirrorless just came along for the ride. Doesn’t mean that older gear can’t still produce great shots…it can…but you’ll get more great shots (based on same abilities)and have a greater chance of capturing the best wing position or facial expression or whatever. Despite the trolling of one person here…the lack of a mirror doesn’t make you a better photographer…its mostly the better tech that fewer mechanical parts abetted by the better sensors came along with.

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Apr 18, 2024 11:11:01   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
Bultaco wrote:
The OP asked about upscaling a few responded to the question.
The majority of the posts gave examples of cameras with hi res.
Why???????


Should every thread be a physics lecture? If so, then this forum would die quickly.

Some recommended software to try. Some shared their experiences with cameras they own. The OP did not initially mention already owning a D850. I suggested if one looks in that direction, a newer camera might be a better choice. Then you throw in a joke or two. This is how people interact with each other on this site. It makes the site more interesting. Some threads do deteriorate into stupidity. You have to take the bad with the good, and there is a lot of good here.

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Apr 18, 2024 11:11:09   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
About half of what separates a successful photographer from their peers is 30 megapixels.

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Apr 18, 2024 11:31:25   #
ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca
 
therwol wrote:
Should every thread be a physics lecture? If so, then this forum would die quickly.

Some recommended software to try. Some shared their experiences with cameras they own. The OP did not initially mention already owning a D850. I suggested if one looks in that direction, a newer camera might be a better choice. Then you throw in a joke or two. This is how people interact with each other on this site. It makes the site more interesting. Some threads do deteriorate into stupidity. You have to take the bad with the good, and there is a lot of good here.
Should every thread be a physics lecture? If so, ... (show quote)


So the guy already owned an 850 --
The bottom line for me then is that all this was no more than a waste of my time & effort
But just the same --- A fun waste of my time

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Apr 18, 2024 11:39:24   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
BEST is always better than you can afford. Always been that way. Always will.

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Apr 18, 2024 12:23:00   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Nantahalan wrote:
If I want to improve a Nikon D500 image (20.5 mb), can it be made comparable to that of a D850 (45.4 mb)?

If so, how? Is that equally so for JPEG and RAW formats?

What are the trade offs?

Many thanks! I feel the way I did in analyzing family finances to pay for three undergraduate degrees at state schools in NC. The goals were for all of us to be debt free when they graduated. The kids were 1, 4, and 8. I could define various goals, factors, and assumptions. But I was never confident in my ability to set up the equations accurately. FYI the Andrew Tobias Managing Your Money program had a fill-in-the-blank section that handled it well. The upshot was that I needed to make more money and I figured the potential of my day job exceeded that of any side enterprises.
If I want to improve a Nikon D500 image (20.5 mb),... (show quote)


The cheap/easy way for pixel enlargement is to use the Adobe based "Bicubic smoother" in steps of 10%. This can be done in JPEG or raw. It works quite well - most people stick their nose up at this because it is too cheap/easy !

The expensive/harder way to do pixel enlargement is to shoot only raw and use one of the stand alone/dedicated AI software like Gigapixel. The computer nerds like this way......

If you are a hardcore photographic perfectionist you will not like either of these options - BUT - if you are a normal if it looks good I like it type person, then pixel enlargement can work for you.

You do loose some image FIDELITY with any pixel enlargement - YOUR exact thresh hold for fidelity loss is what matters.

I use the Adobe Bicubic and the Sony Clear Image Zoom sparingly when needed and I live life happily everafter ...
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