Can editing programs substitute for large file size? (Page 2): Nothing should make you feel inferior about your equipment except the mirror.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

Nothing should make you feel inferior about your equipment except the mirror.

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

CHG_CANON wrote:

Nothing should make you feel inferior about your equipment except the mirror.

I like mirrors & Prime lenses & I like full-sized sensors with as many Pixels as Canon can get on it

And when I'm viewing on the PC I for sure can see the difference between an image from my 5D2 & my 5Ds

And I can see the difference on "some" but you're right not all -- But most of my large prints

So Pixels do matter - For the most part

PS: For the fellow that started this thread - "IF" you have the $$ & since the camera companies have convinced many of us that "Mirrorless" is better so the 850 is selling for much less then it's really worth -- BUY IT!!!

therwol Loc: USA

User ID wrote:

Amen, more or less. I b nevvvvvuh /b concern mys... (show quote)

Who is this person? Looks like my piano teacher when I was in elementary school.

therwol Loc: USA

ken_stern wrote:

I like mirrors & Prime lenses & I like ful... (show quote)

The D850 is a fine 2017 camera. The IQ is unsurpassed, essentially the same as their newer 45 megapixel mirrorless cameras, of which you can chose from three, Z7 ii, Z8 and Z9. The Z cameras run circles around the D850 in terms of speed and features, so why spend money on the old camera? Why not move into the present if you're going to buy a new camera?

The only advantage I see in the older camera is that it will autofocus with the very old screw drive lenses, some of which are actually decent. If you don't own or plan to use any of those, there is no advantage except perhaps price. If you find that you have to buy some full frame lenses to go along with a full frame camera, then the Z lenses are the best that Nikon has to offer, and you really need the best you can afford with a camera that has a high pixel count. Think about how far you would want to take this.

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

therwol wrote:

The D850 is a fine 2017 camera. The IQ is unsurpa... (show quote)

Look we are not in disagreement -
However only "IF" as you said: "The Z cameras run circles around the D850 in terms of speed and features, so why spend money on the old camera? Why not move into the present if you're going to buy a new camera?
ONLY - If those features are important -- And for the most part they are not important to me --
However, this fellow may see them as critical features
If not---
Then purchase a truly great camera for far less

therwol Loc: USA

ken_stern wrote:

Look we are not in disagreement -
However only "IF" as you said: "The Z cameras run circles around the D850 in terms of speed and features, so why spend money on the old camera? Why not move into the present if you're going to buy a new camera?
ONLY - If those features are important -- And for the most part they are not important to me --
However, this fellow may see them as critical features
If not---
Then purchase a truly great camera for far less

I own a Nikon D850. I'm not going to upgrade, or at least I think I'm not going to upgrade. I need compatibility with a stable of older lenses. I can't see spending what it would cost to buy an entire new system at my age on retirement income. If I were younger and looking to buy a new camera, it would definitely be mirrorless. I might even look at options other than Nikon.

CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City

What good is pixel resolution when your camera still has a mirror?

User ID

therwol wrote:

Who is this person? Looks like my piano teacher when I was in elementary school.

The OTHER Elmo ... NOT the Tickle Me Elmo.

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

CHG_CANON wrote:

What good is pixel resolution when your camera still has a mirror?

Easy ---- Only if you have one
Unbolt the lens & use the mirror to comb your hair, brush your teeth, or see who is gaining on you

ken_stern Loc: Yorba Linda, Ca

therwol wrote:

I own a Nikon D850. I'm not going to upgrade, or at least I think I'm not going to upgrade. I need compatibility with a stable of older lenses. I can't see spending what it would cost to buy an entire new system at my age on retirement income. If I were younger and looking to buy a new camera, it would definitely be mirrorless. I might even look at options other than Nikon.

With my 5Ds I'm in full agreement & will continue to use the camera as long as it operates & can be repaired at a reasonable cost.. Canon assures me they will support maintaining the camera, including its repair until 2028 --
If I purchase any new camera after the 5Ds, it will of course be mirrorless.

Nantahalan Loc: Savannah originally; western NC now

Thank you for good photo and financial insights. I have a d500 and D850 and just need to keep their strengths and weaknesses in mind. Will pass on $ info to those kids who mostly have kids of their own now.

Nantahalan Loc: Savannah originally; western NC now

Thanks for cutting to the chase succinctly.

Nantahalan Loc: Savannah originally; western NC now

Thanks. I was hoping you’d comment. I appreciate your knowledge and clarity.

b top gun

I took both a D850 and a Z8 to Alaska last September; as far as IQ, in simply viewing the images I challenge anyone to tell me which camera was used to get the shot. For me, the proof is on paper so to speak. While the Z8 is the newer kid on the block, the D850 still delivers. Multiple images from both have been enlarged to 24 x 36 and greater with little to no apparent loss of detail. Both cameras used the same Nikkor F mount lenses, a 24-70 and a 70-200, f/2.8s; you do need very good glass for both bodies to shine. It is complete rubbish to think a DSLR is no longer capable of excellent images because it has a mirror! Yes, the Z8 may outshine the D850 when it comes to certain wildlife moments. I have several manual focus Nikkor glass from film days and do prefer that glass on the D850. What I like about those big NEF files, I can do some cropping and still get excellent results.

Retired CPO Loc: Travel full time in an RV

Nantahalan wrote:

Thanks. I was hoping you’d comment. I appreciate your knowledge and clarity.

If you use "Quote Reply" as I just have, we will know what post you are replying to!