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Apr 12, 2024 21:36:42   #
andesbill
 
Sirsnapalot wrote:
Your scientific credential’s must be phenomenal, in order to be able to call a Greek scientist Professor a jerk and a moron!


I took out the moron. But any scientist that says that it’s ok for us not to clean up our waste products, our garbage, from any source, does not deserve to be called a scientist. It was cleaning up our waste products at the beginning of the 20th century that led to the greatest increase in lifespan
It is the garbage from burning fossil fuels that is and will be reducing our lifespans in the future. The air and water pollution kills millions. Global warming will result in the deaths of millions more.
There is no excuse for not cleaning up. You wouldn’t stand for it in your home, on your streets, in your town or city. Why would you accept it globally? Why would a supposedly knowledgeable scientist even suggest it? That’s why I called him a jerk. It’s what he is.
I can back up every statement on waste products above, including the fact that CO2 is a waste product from burning fossil fuels, and that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. The evidence that greenhouse gases like CO2 and methane cause global warming is overwhelming, and I can back that statement up as well.
I stand by what I wrote. The science is with me.

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Apr 12, 2024 22:06:52   #
srg
 
Racmanaz wrote:
What a load of poppycock BS nonsense. The Earth is not getting hotter, It’s just staying warmer longer. By the way CO2 is not a waste product, It is a nutrient.


Haha. In the field of logic there is a term to describe what you just said. It's a fancy word followed by "fallacy"
But it can just be shortened to "idiot"

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Apr 12, 2024 22:38:52   #
Racmanaz Loc: Sunny Tucson!
 
srg wrote:
Haha. In the field of logic there is a term to describe what you just said. It's a fancy word followed by "fallacy"
But it can just be shortened to "idiot"


Yup, your usual projection tactic.

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Apr 13, 2024 08:27:33   #
Canisdirus
 
srg wrote:
Haha. In the field of logic there is a term to describe what you just said. It's a fancy word followed by "fallacy"
But it can just be shortened to "idiot"


Everything he said is true...oh clueless one.

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Apr 13, 2024 09:08:44   #
Runninglate Loc: Saint Cloud, Florida
 
As I said it just depends on which side of the bridge you are on. We see what we want to see.

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Apr 13, 2024 09:14:32   #
Canisdirus
 
Runninglate wrote:
As I said it just depends on which side of the bridge you are on. We see what we want to see.


Not that simple...everyone has different abilities and personality traits.

Some are easily taken in...over and over again.

Is mankind contributing to carbon output...you betcha.

It's the offered 'solutions' that raise the antennae of a critical mind.

None are actually offered...in case no one has noticed.

That's the only red flag needed to know the truth lies...elsewhere.

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Apr 13, 2024 09:39:06   #
FrumCA
 
andesbill wrote:
Since we started burning fossil fuels in earnest, the CO2 and the temperature have risen in lock step. The world is hotter today than at any time since the CO2 was this high, a long, long, time ago.
The hotter temperatures are killing living things, destroying the environment, and exacerbating weather extremes, such as heat waves, hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.
CO2 is a proven green house gas. CO2 is produced by burning fossil fuels. CO2 is a waste product, it’s garbage. Why do people have trouble understanding that just like with household garbage and with sewage, we have to clean it up or it will sicken us?
Why do morons like that Greek jerk, think that it’s ok not to clean up after ourselves? Do you leave garbage all over your house? Do you use your bathtub for sewage? I’ve known people who have done both. You wouldn’t want to walk into those apartments (they were junkies).
Let’s just clean it up, because it’s the right thing to do.
Since we started burning fossil fuels in earnest, ... (show quote)

Are you suggesting that CO2 is bad/useless and should be eliminated? Weather extremes have been present in Earth's history for millennia and here you are blaming it on humans who have only been around for 300,000 years or so.

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Apr 13, 2024 09:42:32   #
FrumCA
 
ecblackiii wrote:
You go right ahead and clean up after yourself if makes you feel better. I don't mind. I appreciate you're not dumping trash and sewage. Nor do I. But, I'm not falling for junk science, either.

Humans have existed, including in most primitive forms, for only 300,000 years. But the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. What the climate change hysterics fail to address is what caused the earth to go through long, repeated cycles of getting hotter, then colder, for 4.5 billion years! And it has gone through these global warming and cooling cycles when there were no human activities to influence it. No cars, no coal mines, no oil production, factories, no excessive burning of anything! The CO2 narrative falls flat when examined against this long-term science.

What we do know is that the sun goes through long periodic cycles of changes in solar eruptions that affect life on Earth. And the Earth's orbit around the sun is not circular, but elliptical. And the Earth's inclination is changing over time, as is the movement of the magnetic poles, which appear to be trending towards reversing again. Who's looking at these natural cycles?

Notably also, when the Earth gets warmer, vegetation increases. When vegetation increases, plants absorb more CO2 and emit more oxygen--which is very good for humans and all other living creatures. I look forward to a warmer Earth, and only worry about a colder Earth. I can adapt to warmth but cannot survive freezing, particularly in the absence of fuel.

Scientists should be spending more time studying the natural cycles of the sun and Earth instead of jumping to a fixation on CO2 produced by humans. But, since political decisions drive granting money only to studies that support the CO2 narrative, we will wind up chasing our tails until we bankrupt ourselves and have to revert to primitive living conditions.
You go right ahead and clean up after yourself if ... (show quote)


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Apr 13, 2024 10:53:20   #
andesbill
 
FrumCA wrote:
Are you suggesting that CO2 is bad/useless and should be eliminated? Weather extremes have been present in Earth's history for millennia and here you are blaming it on humans who have only been around for 300,000 years or so.


What I am suggesting, is that we clean up the waste products from the burning of fossil fuels. Not to zero, but let’s see how close we can get to cleaning up the mess we are making. I don’t want to see any climate hacks such as seeding the oceans with iron, or using space shades. That is much too scary. I also don’t want us to fine tune the CO2 to reach an equitable climate, because we would screw that up as well. Let’s just reduce the CO2 we produce now from burning fossil fuels, and see how that helps. Then we can talk about whether & how to remove some of the carbon from our atmosphere without further screwing things up.
I walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I have solar panels on my roof, and an ev in my garage. I believe in what I say, and am willing to pay for my beliefs.

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Apr 13, 2024 11:49:10   #
Canisdirus
 
andesbill wrote:
What I am suggesting, is that we clean up the waste products from the burning of fossil fuels. Not to zero, but let’s see how close we can get to cleaning up the mess we are making. I don’t want to see any climate hacks such as seeding the oceans with iron, or using space shades. That is much too scary. I also don’t want us to fine tune the CO2 to reach an equitable climate, because we would screw that up as well. Let’s just reduce the CO2 we produce now from burning fossil fuels, and see how that helps. Then we can talk about whether & how to remove some of the carbon from our atmosphere without further screwing things up.
I walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I have solar panels on my roof, and an ev in my garage. I believe in what I say, and am willing to pay for my beliefs.
What I am suggesting, is that we clean up the wast... (show quote)


Pie in the sky approach would be okay...if the cost wasn't so high.

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Apr 13, 2024 12:55:58   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Pie in the sky approach would be okay...if the cost wasn't so high.


The cost of reducing the effects of climate change isn't so high when you also consider the cost effects of continuing on the current path in terms of increased frequency and severity of storms, flooding, etc.

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Apr 13, 2024 13:11:55   #
andesbill
 
gorgehiker wrote:
The cost of reducing the effects of climate change isn't so high when you also consider the cost effects of continuing on the current path in terms of increased frequency and severity of storms, flooding, etc.

You’re right, but it won’t be cheap. And every time there is a downturn in the economy, voters squeal, and politicians cave, so I wouldn’t be too hopeful that we will actually solve anything, before nature solves the problem for us, and not to our liking.

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Apr 13, 2024 13:12:01   #
gorgehiker Loc: Lexington, Ky
 
Canisdirus wrote:
Pie in the sky approach would be okay...if the cost wasn't so high.


Even ultra conservative climate science denier Ron Desantis knows that sea levels are rising. His Florida Resilience Program has spent over a billion dollars to attempt to mitigate some of the effects of "climate change", even though the state can't use that term.

"On May 12, 2021, Governor Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 1954 into law. This comprehensive legislation ensures a coordinated approach to Florida’s coastal and inland resilience.

The program enhances our efforts to protect our inland waterways, coastlines and shores, which serve as invaluable natural defenses against sea level rise. The legislation will yield the largest investment in Florida’s history to prepare communities for the impacts of sea level rise, intensified storms and flooding."

Florida State website

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Apr 13, 2024 14:03:10   #
Canisdirus
 
gorgehiker wrote:
The cost of reducing the effects of climate change isn't so high when you also consider the cost effects of continuing on the current path in terms of increased frequency and severity of storms, flooding, etc.


Since none of that is related to global warming... a common tactic btw...dismissed.

The fact is...the solution has never been presented...and will never be presented.

Since it will be easily falsifiable...or it will be the truth.

And since the solution is never presented...you have your answer as to which it is already.

If you know how to think for yourself that is.

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Apr 13, 2024 14:58:53   #
btbg
 
andesbill wrote:
What I am suggesting, is that we clean up the waste products from the burning of fossil fuels. Not to zero, but let’s see how close we can get to cleaning up the mess we are making. I don’t want to see any climate hacks such as seeding the oceans with iron, or using space shades. That is much too scary. I also don’t want us to fine tune the CO2 to reach an equitable climate, because we would screw that up as well. Let’s just reduce the CO2 we produce now from burning fossil fuels, and see how that helps. Then we can talk about whether & how to remove some of the carbon from our atmosphere without further screwing things up.
I walk the walk as well as talk the talk. I have solar panels on my roof, and an ev in my garage. I believe in what I say, and am willing to pay for my beliefs.
What I am suggesting, is that we clean up the wast... (show quote)


Thats all eelk and good but if Europe and the U.S. took their CO2 emissions to zero torrow China , India, Turkey and Russia would more than make up the difference and it wouldnt help the enviroent it wojld only kill those economies

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