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JacksonHD Loc: NorCal

tomad wrote:

Thanks, I guess Linux it is then!

lbrande

tomad wrote:

Thanks, I guess Linux it is then!

Would love to use Linux or Ubuntu, but many programs that I use will not run.

Laramie Loc: Tempe

I am a Windows guy, but if Windows does go to a subscription model, I'll go to Linux. I can see no reason for an older version would run slower, with no other changes. Apple does/did that.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

If you read the link Jerry provided, there’s no cost to continue to use Win 10, just an OPTION to buy extended support which would supposedly be updates to Windows Defender. I doubt there would be new features added or new HW drivers, but I guess it’s possible. Your Win 10 computer will continue to work just fine, but without Defender updates, I’d invest in 3rd party anti- Virus/malware/bot detection SW unless you want to pay MS for support. Nothing new here except the offer to purchase extended support - people have been running old versions of Windows forever.

I’ve recently published on another thread, the method to upgrade a non compliant Win 10 machine to Win 11, and it does work, but Microsoft warns that there will be no updates for updated non compliant machines - it remains to be seen if that’s the case.

RKastner Loc: Davenport, FL

jerryc41 wrote:

If you don't want to "upgrade" to Win11, and you want to keep Win10, you will have to start paying at the end of 2025. I'm trying to find the article, but I don't remember who posted it.

Wow....being a Mac user I didn't realize that Windows 10 was nearly 10 years old and Windows 11 is 3 years old. I'm surprised they supported it this long, but I guess when you go 7 years between versions I guess you have to.

As a comparison, Apple upgrades their Mac OS every year. The current version is Mac OS 14 with a Mac OS 15 coming probably this fall. They stopped supporting Mac OS 11 six months ago (released in November 2020). I'm sure there are some people still with Mac OS 11 out there....they won't get any updates but they don't charge you to use it.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BebuLamar wrote:

I don't think anyone sell a bootable drive with Windows 11 on it. You can buy a copy of Windows 11 to install on a blank hard drive. However, if your computer was sold with Windows XP it won't run Windows 11 as it has too old bios and processor. You can however put Windows XP back to your computer.

You can, but good luck finding a browser compatible with XP AND security adequate to access https sites (which anlmost all sites are now). You can download old versions of common browsers ( Firefox, IE, Chrome, etc…) that will install and run on XP, BUT XP does not provide the necessary security protocols ro browse modern sites. Already tried it. Built an XP machine specifically to support some legacy ISA cards and loaded Win XP SP3 (latest version) and I tried every XP compatible version of every browser you can think up, and while they would access http sites, they wouldn’t access https sites, which almost all modern sites are.

You can try running Linux IF your MB supports enough memory. Most XP machines had limited HW memory capability.

Haenzel Loc: South Holland, The Netherlands

lbrande wrote:

Would love to use Linux or Ubuntu, but many programs that I use will not run.

For many windows only programs you can find linux alternatives. It requires some "getting used to" though...

lbrande

Haenzel wrote:

For many windows only programs you can find linux alternatives. It requires some "getting used to" though...

I have several necessary programs that will not run on any linux machine.

Old Coot

jerryc41 wrote:

If you don't want to "upgrade" to Win11, and you want to keep Win10, you will have to start paying at the end of 2025. I'm trying to find the article, but I don't remember who posted it.

Got it! https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/microsoft-reveals-subscription-pricing-for-using-windows-10-beyond-2025-and-its-not-cheap

Win 10 will still work for free as usual but if you want security then you will have to pay the piper.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

RKastner wrote:

Wow....being a Mac user I didn't realize that Wind... (show quote)

Mac just nomenclate their releases differently. MacOS 10 ran from 2001 (10.0) to 2019 (10.15) for example. They name each patch/rev while Windows names only major releases - revs/patches between major releases are nomenclated like 22H2 rather than named after a location.

Microsoft, unlike Apple, is a SW company, so they have (until Win 10 and 11 which were free upgrades) charged for a major release. Since Apple builds the HW platform as well, the cost of the OS is rolled in to the total price of the system.

BebuLamar

Old Coot wrote:

Win 10 will still work for free as usual but if you want security then you will have to pay the piper.

Even if you don't care about security, if you don't pay to update your web browser will cease to work. And that is the main problem.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BebuLamar wrote:

Even if you don't care about security, if you don't pay to update your web browser will cease to work. And that is the main problem.

Why? There are a wide variety of free web browsers that cost nothing to install or update (ie: Firefox)

BebuLamar

TriX wrote:

Why? There are a wide variety of free web browsers that cost nothing to install or update (ie: Firefox)

You said it yourself "You can, but good luck finding a browser compatible with XP AND security adequate to access https sites ".
If you don't update your Windows 10 eventually it will be like Windows XP that is it still run fine except you can't get to the internet.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

BebuLamar wrote:

You said it yourself "You can, but good luck finding a browser compatible with XP AND security adequate to access https sites ".
If you don't update your Windows 10 eventually it will be like Windows XP that is it still run fine except you can't get to the internet.

You’re talking about a LONG obsolete OS (released 23 years ago) used by VERY few people instead of Win 10 that was just updated a few years ago and still used by hundreds of millions of users. MAYBE someday what you suggest will be true, but for 99.999% of the users, they will have moved on to new HW and OS by then. In general, the only people dabbling in decades old HW and SW are those trying to use legacy HW or aps, and those are VERY few.

BebuLamar

TriX wrote:

You’re talking about a LONG obsolete OS (released 23 years ago) used by VERY few people instead of Win 10 that was just updated a few years ago and still used by hundreds of millions of users. MAYBE someday what you suggest will be true, but for 99.999% of the users, they will have moved on to new HW and OS by then. In general, the only people dabbling in decades old HW and SW are those trying to use legacy HW or aps, and those are VERY few.

You said so about Windows XP and the browsers but I found it is true also for the much newer Windows 8.1