dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Everyone should be proud of some accomplishment. He is proud of his ignorance.

Dennis

FrumCA

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

Gentlemen: hey! my nose didn't grow

The AR15 platform is just another semi-auto rifle among many. It just happens to look like the Military M16 family of weapons in use since adapted in 1964 by the Army. Several units got them to test prior to that under the AR15 (Armalite Rifle model 15) designation. The Air Force was first, it replaced M1 and M2 carbines. The Air Force did not want the M14 which is a decedent of the M1 Garand and a full size Main Battle Rifle, weighing over 10lbs loaded. The AR15/M16 (1960s models) weight on 6.5lbs.

The M14 is select fire, but the selector can be removed, leaving it as semi-automatic.
The Springfield Armory M1A is a civilian legal clone of the M14 whose receiver is made without a place for a selector, solid metal instead.

Colt bought the rights to the original AR15 in 1959 and when the Army designated it M16 they kept the AR15 name for their line of civilian legal semi-auto only rifles. AS with the M1A the receiver is solid metal where the selector switch would go on an M16.

So orifinal AR15 circa 1960, M16 and M14 = select fire military rifles. Late 60s to now AR15, M1A = semi-auto only civilian rifles that just look like the military rifles.

Now, for a bit more confusion, there are miniturized versions of the M14/M1A in various calibers that have been made in large quantities by Ruger Arms for the Police and other government agencies (for a time the SEALS favored the Mini14 {5.56 NATO, same as M16} in stainless steel and composite stocks) and even larger quantities in semi-auto only civilian models. Further confusion is caused by the civilian models sharing names with the Police models.

During my life, I had an M14 with selector as my issue weapon during 3 years in the Army* (2 in Vietnam). I carried an M16 borrowed from an officer in the Tac Ops Center while on courier runs as my M14 was just too big to handle in a vehicle. I also sometimes carried an M2 Carbine I borrowed for courier runs, full auto with a bag of 30 round magazines. I never fired the M16 or M2.
Later as a civilian I have owned the civilian legal semi-auto only Mini14 and Mini30 (5.56 NATO and 7.62x39 Russian[AK47 round]), andthe semi-auto only M1A but have never owned an AR15 or fired one. Not that I wouldn't like one, I just can't convince my wife I need one since I owned the Mini14 & Mini30 plus an M1 carbine along the way. I have never fired or owned an AR15 or M16 of any variety or type. And now at 78, I probably never will. But I know they are not the Devil's spawn or any more dangerous than many other rifles, semi-auto, pump action, lever action or bolt action.
My father hunted deer with a Browning BAR in 7mm Remington Magnum - that rifle will take, deer, elk, black bear and with careful shot placement Bison, Grizzly Bear, Brown Bear and Polar Bear. The 7mm Remington Magnum makes the 5.56/.223, 7.62x39 and other in that power range look like mouse hunting guns. And there are a lot of hunting rounds that make the 7mm Remington look like a wimp.

Below are pictures of a Mini14 and AR15 in their civilian semi-auto only configuration and both in.223 (5.56 NATO is basically the same round). If they were the Police/Military versions with select fire switches from more than a few feet, most people would never know or be able to see the switches.

In the hands of a trained rifleman, semi-auto fire is much deadlier when each round is aimed. Full auto is for up close, "A Room Broom", or at range for suppression fire = lots of bullets addressed "To Whom it May Concern". Put out a big enough storm of bullets and some are bound to hit something, maybe. If nothing else it rattle the other guys and keeps them ducking for cover instead of aiming their return fire, maybe-you hope. Actually if I knew ahead of time I would be in a gun fight at 50 yards or less I would show up with a semi-auto 12 GA shotgun with short barrel plus long magazine tube and it would be loaded with 000 buckshot and I would have bandoleers and pocket full of more rounds. Oh, and a large mag capacity semi-auto pistol in 9mm, 10mm, 40 S&W or 45 ACP for backup (lots of extra magazines and a 4-6" belt knife for "Oh God, I wish I wasn't here!" up close after the ammo runs out.

*Expert Medal with M14 rifle, later as a security guard I qualified as expert with both the .357 revolver and .45 auto pistols.

Texcaster Loc: Queensland

For all the ammo-sexuals in denial.
"Consider your manhood card reissued." Bushmaster's Sandy Hook special.
https://www.businessinsider.com/how-bushmaster-advertised-semiautomatic-used-in-connecticut-massacre-2012-12

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Effate Loc: El Dorado Hills, Ca.

Pretty sure Nancy Lanza didn’t need a man up card and lest we forget the highest school body count in a U.S. school was exacted with a 9mm pistol.

robertjerl Loc: Corona, California

And if the crazy freaks really knew guns, they would use a short barrel, long magazine shotgun loaded with buckshot. Plus a couple boxes of shells in a carry pouch.

The best defense for schools is for volunteer teachers and other staff, esp veterans, to be trained and carry concealed at all times. And they would do it in secret, so the freaks don't know who to be scared of.
I worked with a teacher who was a reserve police Sgt and had a set of written orders putting him on duty 24/7 at $1 a month and stating that he was required to be armed at all times. To protect his students.

That same school, I had an LAPD officer in the room next to me teaching "Youth and the Law". He was in civilian cloths with a sport coat, so no one who didn't know him knew he was a cop and armed. He tried uniform for 3 days at the start of school. Three uniforms to the cleaners and cleaning his gun every night because of chalk dust ended that - this was before White Boards and Dry Erase markers.

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

There is also a very good reason most criminals do not use the AK or AR platform rifles nor any other rifles. Those rifles are big and heavy compared to a handgun that can be easily concealed. They are also far bigger than a common knife that can be concealed and used quietly to commit murders. Rifles are NOT the chosen weapon for gang bangers except in movies where you also see them commonly wielding machine pistols.

Maybe someone should alert the Left about movies being generally Make Believe just as is the lying corrupt Biden administration. Just one comedy routine after another but nobody is laughing anymore.

Dennis

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Lol, what a maroon! Would be nice info if it wasn't coming from a political clown.

Bet you enjoy brushing your tooth when you wake up foaming at the mouth, angry little thing that you are.

FrumCA

Five thumbs up for you and robertjerl...

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

Gracias Amigo.

Have you noticed the Left Wingers who have commented have not brought up anything positive about their anti gun bullshit positions? Rather they are only insulting those of us who simply point out the lies of the Left Wing regarding the AR platform.

The reality of all this is the AR and AK platform rifles are nothing more than a different look alike to semi auto rifles that have been around since the late 1800's and in common use across the planet. These rifles the Left is so petrified of only look different. They can do nothing more than the early rifles brought out over 100 years ago. The operator pulls/squeezes the trigger and a bullet is fired. Another pull of the trigger and another bullet is fired.
That's it.

Surely they can't be so petrified of something that has been around for over 100 years and the violent use of these rifles, ALL rifles combined, make up less than 3% of usage in criminal activity. There must be another stronger reason for their wild antics to do away with these firearms. Oh wait.....perhaps it is another Left Wing Socialist ploy to do away with the 2nd Amendment.

Dennis

Dennis

pendennis

I would only differ with your selection in one respect: I'd use #4 buckshot up close. It's less likely to over-penetrate, and offers more lead/round.

My back-up is a Colt LWT Commander in Super .38, and a Model 14 Randall.

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

More uninformed boohoohoo from the forum nut-job.

FrumCA

Yes. I have noticed that and it's baffling why they are so committed to ignoring the facts about these firearms. Could it be they only want to sensationalize and create negativity about them to feed to their pied piper followers??

DaveO Loc: Northeast CT

Lol, some of you caricatures make many foolish assumptions and than allude to your own behavior of following a pied piper.

Typical...

dennis2146 Loc: Eastern Idaho

That is exactly it and to create division among Americans. Many people are completely uninformed of the facts about these rifles and firearms in general. They hear the bullshit from Biden and his lackeys about people not needing 30 rounds to kill a deer and believe it. Problem with that IS the 2nd Amendment has nothing to with hunting at all. As you know it is THE Amendment that puts teeth in the other Amendments of the Constitution. It gives Americans the RIGHT to own firearms that can be used against a tyrannical government just such as the Democrats have in Biden's administration.

Imagine Biden DICTATING by a specific year vehicles will be battery operated, natural gas appliances will be GONE even though they are much more energy efficient than electric appliances. Where will the electricity come from at that point when we don't have enough electrical power even NOW. POS Biden must not know those battery operated vehicles are dangerous fire hazards, batteries cannot be easily discarded and they can only be used for short distances OR the driver is in for a long wait while the battery recharges. Yet he orders that we will be doing this.

Dennis