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Mar 27, 2024 18:24:57   #
Dennis833 Loc: Australia
 
selmslie wrote:
Photographers, especially here, are not normal.


I'm not normal and that's probably why I'm a photographer. But 36-42mp seems about right for me.

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Mar 27, 2024 18:27:14   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
selmslie wrote:
Here are the illustrations.

I should have mentioned that I picked that subject because it illustrates one of the fallacies of high resolution capture.

Almost everything but the center of the image is out of focus.

Sharpness is wasted everywhere else. Normally, it's more important.

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Mar 27, 2024 18:50:01   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
selmslie wrote:
Some photographers look down on zooming with your feet but that's probably because they prefer to lug a zoom (or worse, a superzoom) around with them. I don't. My only zoom lens is a 150-600 because zooming with my feet is not practical at long distances and movement can spook the wildlife.

On the other hand, my most used lenses are primes between 35mm and 135mm. Even my old limbs can manage that.

The only frustration I have is at car shows where I usually have only a 35mm lens. I can move in but when I back away someone inevitably gets in in the way and I have to wait for them to move on.
Some photographers look down on zooming with your ... (show quote)

I don't zoom with my feet, change perspective maybe, but not zoom.
Especially along cliffs.

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Mar 27, 2024 19:53:53   #
ricardo00
 
selmslie wrote:
Some photographers look down on zooming with your feet but that's probably because they prefer to lug a zoom (or worse, a superzoom) around with them. I don't. My only zoom lens is a 150-600 because zooming with my feet is not practical at long distances and movement can spook the wildlife.


Since I almost only photograph wildlife, the last point is the most important one to me. Just this week I was trying to photograph a kingfish, a Northern flicker and a river otter. Each of them were incredibly sensitive to my location. Anytime I got closer than 20 feet or so, even though I was very slowly approaching, they would take off. So for wildlife photography (as others including you note), high megapixel cameras and a high focal length lens are essential (much to the dismay of my knee and back).

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Mar 27, 2024 21:10:57   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
ricardo00 wrote:
... even though I was very slowly approaching, they would take off.


Not nice harassing the birds.

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Mar 27, 2024 21:23:32   #
ricardo00
 
Bill_de wrote:
Not nice harassing the birds.

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Yep, but considering that this is a path in a public park, there were lots of walkers who would be passing by as well.

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Mar 28, 2024 03:45:25   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
For most everyone, pixel resolution at 20MP is more than enough for any editing and / or printing needs. That 20MP to 20MP range is what the 'working professionals' need for a 2-page spread (magazine print), as if anyone was still printing or purchasing physical magazines in 2024. We see this reality in the slow upward migration of the top (flagship) pro DSLR models.

Examples:

Nikon
D3X - 24MP, 2010
D5 - 20MP, 2017
D6 - 21MP, 2020

Canon
1Ds-III - 21MP, 2007
1DX - 18MP, 2011
1DX-III - 20MP, 2016

Meanwhile, at the same time those flagship models were being released, all around the $6000 per body price range, even the entry-level models were reaching a standard 24MP resolution. The 'pro' full-frame models at one level-down from the 'flagship' bodies reached a 30- to 50MP range for the same timeframe, examples like the D810, D850 and 5DIV models, as well as the top full-frame mirrorless bodies typically all coming out around 45MP.

Personally, for my wildlife photography, I can 'see' the difference in cropping into the results in FF cameras with the same focal length lenses, where one body is 22MP and the other 24MP. I have more options with the images (camera) that has more pixels, even just a 2MP difference. I've also seen demonstrations of the massive print sizes and massive fine details of architecture and cityscapes captured at 45MP.

But again, for most everyone not shooting distant wildlife and not printing anything, buying bodies (sensors) beyond 24MP is just wasting money on capabilities you'll never need.
For most everyone, pixel resolution at 20MP is mor... (show quote)

It depends.
Not joking.
But Im unwilling to rehash all the tiresome details of "it depends" for the zillionth time.

Ill only point out that viewing on a screen demands more resolution than a wall hanger print if the image is intriguingly full of small details. Its much more comfortable to zoom into a screen image than to stick your nose onto a wall hanger sized print. its verrrry much easier to "wander around" in a screen image than in a hard copy.

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Mar 28, 2024 04:06:27   #
selmslie Loc: Fernandina Beach, FL, USA
 
User ID wrote:
Ill only point out that viewing on a screen demands more resolution than a wall hanger print if the image is intriguingly full of small details. Its much more comfortable to zoom into a screen image than to stick your nose onto a wall hanger sized print.

Just waking up? Wait till your fog clears.

Only a photographer would or could do that.

That's the whole point of the thread!

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Mar 28, 2024 04:21:40   #
User ID
 
selmslie wrote:
Just waking up? Wait till your fog clears.

Only a photographer would or could do that.

That's the whole point of the thread!


Ooooopz, so true. Only musicians can really perceive and relish music in any depth. The Great Unwashed just superficially consume music as entertainment.

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Mar 28, 2024 05:42:16   #
chrisg-optical Loc: New York, NY
 
I think we reached the point where a ceasefire was declared in megapixel wars of the last 2 decades, finally. CEOs from all the major manufacturers signed a peace treaty, and are now smoking peace bongs in the hookah lounge at B&H. Enjoy!

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Mar 28, 2024 06:01:08   #
Orphoto Loc: Oregon
 
I used to hear stories of ad directors making odd demands as to resolution. Hmmm, do they score as photographers ?

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Mar 28, 2024 07:52:52   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
selmslie wrote:
If it sounds like a provocative question, it was intentional.

A discussion took place recently on another thread that got me thinking about it. So I did some comparison's using a 24MP A7 III and a 45.7MP Z7 using each camera's 85mm f/1.8 lens (at f/2.8). Those lens resolutions are very close according to DXOMARK.

I viewed the results on a 2k (1920x1080, about 2MP) and 4k (3840x2160, about 8MP) monitor and couldn't tell them apart.

I printed the original full-size images on 8.5x11 Red River UltraPro Satin paper at their best settings. I still could not tell them apart.

Then I exported each image at a width of 1920 and 3840 pixels as well as at their full resolution. They will be attached to the next post.

The only time I could tell them apart was at the full resolution pixel peeped at 100%. But the only way anyone can see that is on a monitor where the magnified image is way too big to fit the screen.

There is a message here and some of you aren't going to be happy with it.
If it sounds like a provocative question, it was i... (show quote)


I am a photographer, and the image is more important than any discussion about resolution.



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Mar 28, 2024 08:14:14   #
Canisdirus
 
I didn't find it provocative at all...this should be common knowledge.

More MP's mean...more options...pretty simple to figure out.

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Mar 28, 2024 08:17:47   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Canisdirus wrote:
I didn't find it provocative at all...this should be common knowledge.

More MP's mean...more options...pretty simple to figure out.

In creating the final image, not viewing a print of it.

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Mar 28, 2024 08:19:09   #
f8lee Loc: New Mexico
 
It strikes me that the resolution statistic nowadays is somewhat analogous to the way CPU speeds were talked about back in the 80's and 90's, when microcomputers were taking off. I'm sure many recall how manufactures touted their newer faster CPUs (10MHz! 50Mhz!!) as a way to attract new buyers.

However, once CPUs hit a certain speed - let's just say 1GHz (though in truth a lot less) and it turned out no matter how fast one types the CPU spent 90%+ of its cycles waiting for your next keystroke, that this metric became somewhat pointless. Of course, in the case of computer CPUs, with software demanding ever more cycles the speed war is still on, and does make some sense.

But for sensors, if one were to realize that, say, 24MP is more than adequate for 99+% of issues, the ever-higher resolutions of imaging chips becomes just a number without any real meaning - other than requiring additional storage capaciy to keep all those award winning photos of course.

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