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Mar 22, 2024 12:13:59   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
DennyT wrote:
He is still guilty like it or not.


Guess who is now being sued for, Wait For It, Real estate fraud? Yep, Letitia James. This should be interesting.


https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/opinion/an-irish-society-an-unpaid-loan-and-the-hypocrisy-of-letitia-james/

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Mar 22, 2024 12:17:08   #
Triple G
 
SteveS wrote:
Guess who is now being sued for, Wait For It, Real estate fraud? Yep, Letitia James. This should be interesting.


https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/opinion/an-irish-society-an-unpaid-loan-and-the-hypocrisy-of-letitia-james/


When an actual subpoena has been issued, let us know.

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Mar 22, 2024 12:52:03   #
Frank T Loc: New York, NY
 
SteveS wrote:
Guess who is now being sued for, Wait For It, Real estate fraud? Yep, Letitia James. This should be interesting.


https://nypost.com/2024/03/17/opinion/an-irish-society-an-unpaid-loan-and-the-hypocrisy-of-letitia-james/


Swing and a miss.

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Mar 22, 2024 13:06:01   #
SteveS Loc: The US is my home.
 
Triple G wrote:
When an actual subpoena has been issued, let us know.


I didn't realize a lawsuit required a subpoena, is this something new, or is this speculation on your part?

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Mar 22, 2024 13:16:11   #
Triple G
 
SteveS wrote:
I didn't realize a lawsuit required a subpoena, is this something new, or is this speculation on your part?


Seems to be the remedy he's seeking; a subpoena for documents she has. It's the board of directors (including the plaintiff) who would be the defendant in the case.

"The AG appointed an interim board of directors and Doyle was persuaded not to try to collect his money or foreclose on the mortgage before July 2023.

But by August 2023, he still hadn’t been repaid, so he initiated foreclosure proceedings — and promptly was blocked by the AG, who claimed the mortgage was invalid because he was a board member.

On Friday, Doyle launched a lawsuit against the society (not against James) and requested a subpoena be issued against James requiring her to produce a raft of documents, including anything relating to campaign events hosted at the townhouse or any contributions to her political campaigns from the society or any of its members or directors."

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Mar 22, 2024 17:25:52   #
TimmyKnowles Loc: Gallup, New Mexico
 
Blurryeyed wrote:
Trump needs money! Biden needs a Brain.


And you have the cognitive capacity of a Chef Boyardee Mini Ravioli, if it's even that high.

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Mar 23, 2024 06:25:49   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
pendennis wrote:
Appeals and due process haven't yet played out.

And since we're talking about civil infractions, then it's not guilt that's involved.

The only way that trump can file an appeal under New York state law is to post a bond.

According to the trump appeal filing to stay the bond posting, trump couldn't as of their filing find anyone to agree to post the bond for him.

So just how do you believe that trump is going to be able to successfully appeal the amount due to the State of New York without following the State of New York appeal process?

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Mar 23, 2024 07:45:49   #
Kraken Loc: Barry's Bay
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The only way that trump can file an appeal under New York state law is to post a bond.

According to the trump appeal filing to stay the bond posting, trump couldn't as of their filing find anyone to agree to post the bond for him.

So just how do you believe that trump is going to be able to successfully appeal the amount due to the State of New York without following the State of New York appeal process?


Trump is about to get $3 billion richer after the deal is approved to take his company public. But it won’t solve his cash crunch

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/business/trump-truth-social-dwac-shares/index.html

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Mar 23, 2024 08:15:33   #
Triple G
 
Kraken wrote:
Trump is about to get $3 billion richer after the deal is approved to take his company public. But it won’t solve his cash crunch

https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/22/business/trump-truth-social-dwac-shares/index.html


Unless the BOD, including his sons, approves early sale of stock.

https://www.marketwatch.com/livecoverage/dwac-stock-trump-vote-truthsocial

https://www.investors.com/research/donald-trump-stock-buy-now-trump-media-technology-group-tmtg-stock-dwac-stock-spac/

A very risky stock, IMO.

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Mar 23, 2024 09:21:39   #
pendennis
 
Shutterbug1697 wrote:
The only way that trump can file an appeal under New York state law is to post a bond.

According to the trump appeal filing to stay the bond posting, trump couldn't as of their filing find anyone to agree to post the bond for him.

So just how do you believe that trump is going to be able to successfully appeal the amount due to the State of New York without following the State of New York appeal process?


Not true. He may also appeal through the Federal courts based on U.S. Constitutional violations of his 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendment rights. All of those were violated in NY State courts. Happens all the time in civil and criminal cases.

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Mar 23, 2024 11:12:24   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
pendennis wrote:
Not true. He may also appeal through the Federal courts based on U.S. Constitutional violations of his 5th, 8th, and 14th Amendment rights. All of those were violated in NY State courts. Happens all the time in civil and criminal cases.

Let's see how your theories hold up.

5th Amendment - unless indicted by a Grand Jury.

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-5/#:~:text=No%20person%20shall%20be%20held,the%20same%20offence%20to%20be

Yes, trump was indicted by a Grand Jury on March 30, 2023 in the business fraud case.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-fraud-ruling-new-york-legal-losses/#:~:text=On%20March%2030%2C%202023%2C%20a,Jean%20Carroll.

8th Amendment - excessive bail or fines.

https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/amendment-8/#:~:text=Eighth%20Amendment%20Cruel%20and%20Unusual,cruel%20and%20unusual%20punishments%20inflicted.

trump was found liable for business fraud, the amount of the fine included $355 Million for disgorgement, a term of returning ill-gotten gains, plus $98 Million in prejudgement interest, which will accrue every day until it's paid.

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/16/trump-fraud-trial-judge-engoron-verdict-ny-ag-business-case.html

14th Amendment - due process of law

https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-14/

Exactly which part of the 14th Amendment in your opinion applies to trump's business fraud case?

If it's section 1, trump was afforded due process under the law, but the evidence was overwhelmingly stacked in favor of the eventual ruling.

Trump broke the law by falisfying his financial statements, committed Tax Fraud at the Local, State, and Federal levels. He committed Insurance Fraud by submitting falsified financial statements. He also committed Bank Fraud by submitting falsified Financial Statements.

Actions have consequences!

trump knowingly chose to submit FALSE Financial Statements!

Don't even try to argue that the banks got their money back on the loans. If trump had submitted truthful Financial Statements, the banks would have charged a higher interest rate on those loans. In one division of Deutsche Bank, trump was turned down, then turned to a different division which was whale hunting.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/428194-deutsche-bank-turned-trump-down-for-loan-in-2016-report/

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/deutsche-bank-was-keen-to-land-a-whale-of-a-client-in-trump-documents-at-civil-fraud-trial-show

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/16/trump-fraud-trial-judge-engoron-verdict-ny-ag-business-case.html

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Mar 23, 2024 17:22:32   #
Texcaster Loc: Queensland
 
Frank T wrote:
So the Trump team announced yesterday that they couldn't come up with a bond or cash for the $480 Million dollars as per the court order.
At first, I thought, gee that's okay, the DA can just take 40 Wall Street, which is one of the buildings Trump is most proud of. Then after a bit of research, I found out, he doesn't own that building. He holds a 200-year lease on the building from the company that owns it and it's not a Trump company. Then I found out that he also does not own Trump Tower in its entirety, he owns the retail space and his Triplex apartment.

Seems that the Billionaire he purports himself to be is simply all smoke and mirrors.
I should have figured he lied about being a billionaire because he's lied about everything else.

The good news is that the MAGA'ts will send money to him because they're not the brightest lights on Broadway.
The other great news is that Taylor Swift has the cash and could write him a check if she wanted to. Unfortunately, she doesn't want to.

The next move is by Attorney General Letitia James.

This is going to be a fun ride.
So the Trump team announced yesterday that they co... (show quote)


" ... Taylor Swift has the cash and could write him a check if she wanted to." It looks like probably more Russian money for the Trump's.

Farah Griffin: There’s ‘no question’ Trump would accept money from Russian oligarchs
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4549368-farah-griffin-theres-no-question-trump-would-accept-money-from-russian-oligarchs/
“Donald Trump does not have a moral compass when it comes to America’s standing in the world, how we interact with our adversaries, and he certainly puts his interests before the country. So if an oligarch in … Russia or a Chinese business official wants to help him get his money, I have no question that he would end up accepting it,” Farah Griffin, who served in the Trump administration, told CNN’s Sara Sidner on Thursday.

Alina Habba, the hot dufus, didn't rule out Russian money for Big MAGA.
https://www.salon.com/2024/03/21/wtf-alina-habbas-answer-raises-alarms-amid-concerns-may-need-foreign-money-for-legal-bills/

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Mar 23, 2024 17:47:25   #
pendennis
 
[quote=Shutterbug1697][b]BLAH, BLAH, BLAH[/quote]

Mine are not theories. They are derived from the spoken words of legal luminaries such as Alan Dershowitz and Professor Jonathon Turley. They were not made from whole cloth as the NY AG and that moronic judge Juan Merchan did.

The 5th Amendment also guarantees due process and does not specify criminal or civil actions; read the entire amendment.
The 8th Amendment prohibits excessive fines. $400 million plus is pure fantasy, since there was no civil infraction. Deutsche Bank, on which this case is partly based, filed no complaint, civil or otherwise, with the NY AG office.
The 14th Amendment also guarantees due process.

I guess you should send Donald Trump a bill for rent. He's taken up residence in your feeble mind, and you haven't the smarts to charge him for it.

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Mar 23, 2024 17:53:45   #
Triple G
 
pendennis wrote:
Mine are not theories. They are derived from the spoken words of legal luminaries such as Alan Dershowitz and Professor Jonathon Turley. They were not made from whole cloth as the NY AG and that moronic judge Juan Merchan did.

The 5th Amendment also guarantees due process and does not specify criminal or civil actions; read the entire amendment.
The 8th Amendment prohibits excessive fines. $400 million plus is pure fantasy, since there was no civil infraction. Deutsche Bank, on which this case is partly based, filed no complaint, civil or otherwise, with the NY AG office.
The 14th Amendment also guarantees due process.

I guess you should send Donald Trump a bill for rent. He's taken up residence in your feeble mind, and you haven't the smarts to charge him for it.
Mine are not theories. They are derived from the ... (show quote)


Turley and Dershowitz are following Eastman, Giuliani, Cohen, Powell, Ellis, Clark, et al down the trump reputation ending rabbit hole.

https://abovethelaw.com/2022/07/someone-kidnapped-jonathan-turley-and-replaced-him-with-the-dumbest-person-on-earth-who-also-happens-to-be-jonathan-turley/

https://azcapitoltimes.com/news/2023/01/02/dershowitz-distances-himself-from-arguments-in-kari-lake-mark-finchem-lawsuit/

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Mar 23, 2024 19:47:02   #
Shutterbug1697 Loc: Northeast
 
pendennis wrote:
Mine are not theories. They are derived from the spoken words of legal luminaries such as Alan Dershowitz and Professor Jonathon Turley. They were not made from whole cloth as the NY AG and that moronic judge Juan Merchan did.

The 5th Amendment also guarantees due process and does not specify criminal or civil actions; read the entire amendment.
The 8th Amendment prohibits excessive fines. $400 million plus is pure fantasy, since there was no civil infraction. Deutsche Bank, on which this case is partly based, filed no complaint, civil or otherwise, with the NY AG office.
The 14th Amendment also guarantees due process.

I guess you should send Donald Trump a bill for rent. He's taken up residence in your feeble mind, and you haven't the smarts to charge him for it.
Mine are not theories. They are derived from the ... (show quote)

Dershowitz and Turley are no longer "legal luminaries" by any means.

You really need better legal guidance than from those two has been (choke, choke, cough, cough) lawyers.

Yes, trump did have his due process in court.

It was his incompetent legal team which wasn't effective in their defense of trump, missing deadline after deadline throughout the pretrial period.

I thought that trump only hired the best people, why didn't he hire Dershowitz or Turley if they're allegedly so great?

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