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Mar 14, 2024 13:07:56   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
billnikon wrote:
As a long time Nikon shooter I am thankful that Nikon has tried to fix the many problems with tracking and focusing with 5, yes 5 firmware updates to the Z9.
However, the Z9 is still not up to par with Canon or my Sony a1 when it comes to focus tracking, lock on, and in general birds in flight keeper rates.
I do appreciate Nikon's persistence in working so hard in attempting to catch up with Canon and Sony.
I wish Nikon the best of luck in trying to remedy the elephant in the room so that someday they can stand with the two other camera manufactures that have already cracked the focusing code.
As a long time Nikon shooter I am thankful that Ni... (show quote)


Just curious...when's the last time, if ever, you've shot with a Z9?

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Mar 15, 2024 03:15:08   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
chasgroh wrote:
Just curious...when's the last time, if ever, you've shot with a Z9?


Never

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Mar 15, 2024 07:35:57   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
chasgroh wrote:
Just curious...when's the last time, if ever, you've shot with a Z9?


I shoot beside folks that shoot it all the time, and Canon shooters. If you have read my posts, I have stated that when the boys (that's the Nikon Z9 shooters, Canon shooters, and my Sony a1) compare the same shots from the same bird flying we have noticed that the Nikon Z9 results always include frames that are not in focus vs. the Canon and Sony shots that are in focus.
Again, I am not nocking the Nikon system, it is excellent. But the results are what they are, Nikon on a series of shots will loose focus in a series for some reason. I cannot tell you why, and it's not just one Nikon Z9 shooter reporting this, is is many. Again, I have seen the results with my own eyes.
HAVE YOU?

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Mar 15, 2024 07:39:50   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Yes I read it, don't see that it really improves focus.


Than why bother discussing it up?

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Mar 15, 2024 12:37:24   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
billnikon wrote:
I shoot beside folks that shoot it all the time, and Canon shooters. If you have read my posts, I have stated that when the boys (that's the Nikon Z9 shooters, Canon shooters, and my Sony a1) compare the same shots from the same bird flying we have noticed that the Nikon Z9 results always include frames that are not in focus vs. the Canon and Sony shots that are in focus.
Again, I am not nocking the Nikon system, it is excellent. But the results are what they are, Nikon on a series of shots will loose focus in a series for some reason. I cannot tell you why, and it's not just one Nikon Z9 shooter reporting this, is is many. Again, I have seen the results with my own eyes.
HAVE YOU?
I shoot beside folks that shoot it all the time, a... (show quote)


...well sure I have, I've owned a Z9 pretty much from the beginning and I'm plenty happy with it. I've *learned* it. There are many many pros shooting Z9, and if there's one thing they, and me, have in common is that constant battle to get better...not just images but operating the equipment. You've made a choice and have stuck with it, and it seems like you're firmly away from Nikon. Bravo. Your work is fine and I've commented on that fact before. But this is a *Z9* thread, eh? AFA your side-by-side comparison that's anecdotal at best. I feel quite sure you'd LIKE operating a Z9 and master it quickly, much more quickly than those you're rubbing elbows with.

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Mar 15, 2024 14:15:12   #
billnikon Loc: Pennsylvania/Ohio/Florida/Maui/Oregon/Vermont
 
chasgroh wrote:
...well sure I have, I've owned a Z9 pretty much from the beginning and I'm plenty happy with it. I've *learned* it. There are many many pros shooting Z9, and if there's one thing they, and me, have in common is that constant battle to get better...not just images but operating the equipment. You've made a choice and have stuck with it, and it seems like you're firmly away from Nikon. Bravo. Your work is fine and I've commented on that fact before. But this is a *Z9* thread, eh? AFA your side-by-side comparison that's anecdotal at best. I feel quite sure you'd LIKE operating a Z9 and master it quickly, much more quickly than those you're rubbing elbows with.
...well sure I have, I've owned a Z9 pretty much f... (show quote)


One of those Z9 shooters is a big internet influencer, I will not mention his name but he has produced many books on the operating systems for the Z8 and Z9 and he also confirms the elephant in the room. On a continuous shoot, the Nikon may or may not loose focus while tracking. That is why I prefer a Sony a1 or really a a9 (which was out years before the Z9) that do not loose one shot in establishing initial focus and keeping in locked on over a series of shots. I am sorry you feel I am giving anecdotal information. But for those who I shoot with, it is a REAL problem.

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Mar 15, 2024 14:28:19   #
ricardo00
 
Bill_de wrote:
Than why bother discussing it up?

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Not sure if my reading is correct? But looking at the list of fixes and improvements, didn't see anything that jumped out to me as. But maybe I missed something. So would be happy to hear from others who thought XXX was a big deal, enough to convince me to upgrade.

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Mar 15, 2024 22:12:40   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
billnikon wrote:
One of those Z9 shooters is a big internet influencer, I will not mention his name but he has produced many books on the operating systems for the Z8 and Z9 and he also confirms the elephant in the room. On a continuous shoot, the Nikon may or may not loose focus while tracking. That is why I prefer a Sony a1 or really a a9 (which was out years before the Z9) that do not loose one shot in establishing initial focus and keeping in locked on over a series of shots. I am sorry you feel I am giving anecdotal information. But for those who I shoot with, it is a REAL problem.
One of those Z9 shooters is a big internet influen... (show quote)


I think we'd all like to know who the "big influencer" is...you know, attribution helps. Personally, I'm not big on shooting in groups, or even with one other person, but I'm just trying to create art pieces and that takes up most of my "idle" time. I have some virtues, as we all do, but patience isn't one of them. Heh. And, like many, I'm happy with my gear and get what I need, so won't be switching any time soon.

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Mar 15, 2024 22:31:50   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
ricardo00 wrote:
Not sure if my reading is correct? But looking at the list of fixes and improvements, didn't see anything that jumped out to me as. But maybe I missed something. So would be happy to hear from others who thought XXX was a big deal, enough to convince me to upgrade.


I do all the firmware updates as soon as they come out...good luck so far, haha. But, Ricardo, why not just do it and keep your camera current? What's to hurt?

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Mar 15, 2024 22:41:34   #
ricardo00
 
chasgroh wrote:
I do all the firmware updates as soon as they come out...good luck so far, haha. But, Ricardo, why not just do it and keep your camera current? What's to hurt?


Just waiting a couple weeks to hear if anyone has problems, etc. Meanwhile I love both my Z8 and Z9. Never tried Canon or Sony but the people I trust, like Steve Perry, who shoots both Nikon and Sony, feel that the eye focus for birds on the Nikon is as good if not slightly better than Sony under some conditions. See for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1kNNGp7pU

So hope everyone is enjoying photography as much as I am. Currently we have lots of hummingbirds to shoot, which are small and fast! When a photo is off, it is more often than not something I didn't do correctly.

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