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Mar 4, 2024 16:29:13   #
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charles brown wrote:
"Concensus from fellow UHH members" How would one know?

The consensus is that there is no consesnsus ... but that in and of itself is very useful info.

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Mar 4, 2024 16:31:42   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
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the OP already decided what he wanted to to do but he just wanted most of us agree to that. That won't happen.

That describes about half of such threads.

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Mar 4, 2024 16:39:04   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
That describes about half of such threads.


It's the same reason why the "Yodobashi best sellers list" were posted here. People want others to buy the same thing they buy.

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Mar 4, 2024 16:42:50   #
TheShoe Loc: Lacey, WA
 
Bill_de wrote:
ThINKING of purchasing a OM 1 or a Mark ll but it seems like no one can tell me the difference

I think you are mistaking this as 2 different items.

https://explore.omsystem.com/us/en/om-1-mark-ii?open

I could be wrong.

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The Mark II is really an OM 1 Mark II, an improved model.
https://www.dpreview.com/reviews/om-system-om-1-mark-ii-initial-review#WN

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Mar 4, 2024 17:17:03   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I believe he’s talking about the difference between the OM-1 and the just released OM-1 MkII. I never had a D7100 but I’ve had a D7000, D7200 and D500. All very good image quality, as is my OM-1, but when it comes to other capabilities the OM-1 completely blows them away. A lot depends on what you shoot, but I make good use of mine for all kinds of shooting. For wildlife there’s Pro Capture and 25fps with focus tracking, (50fps with the Pro lenses). For city night shooting I live Live ND and Live Composite. I’m not making the jump to the MkII because I just can’t justify the expense right now. It is tempting and if I didn’t already have the OM-1 I would get the new one. The biggest differences are a bigger buffer, improved AF, (although the autofocus was already very good), and for me, Live ND adding another stop to ND128.
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I won't upgrade soon either, but the tempting thing for me is the graduated neutral density filter, which can be raised, lowered, and tilted. That's pretty cool.

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Mar 4, 2024 17:45:25   #
Jeffcs Loc: Myrtle Beach South Carolina
 
Olympus/OM sharper and has so much more packed into the body the big 3 are still catching up that said there are drawbacks to Olympus/OM mostly sensor low light capabilities
Anyone thinking about any camera must go and rent go to brick mortar store and try it out
All the reviews in the world can’t put gear in your hands

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Mar 4, 2024 18:37:52   #
JimBart Loc: Western Michigan
 
I appreciate each one of your comments and each one bears relevance and consideration.
In addition I might add that I was not looking for a consensus but rather your perspectives on something I am only thinking of doing. Each of you brought out good points. I thank you for each of them
I’ll keep you posted on my decision. I will try one if the local camera shop permits me.

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Mar 4, 2024 19:06:41   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
It's the same reason why the "Yodobashi best sellers list" were posted here. People want others to buy the same thing they buy.

We have Award Winning Prof. Weird William now to deliver that stuff to us lately, always posed as a question to pretend its not spam.

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Mar 4, 2024 19:10:12   #
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JimBart wrote:
I appreciate each one of your comments and each one bears relevance and consideration.
In addition I might add that I was not looking for a consensus but rather your perspectives on something I am only thinking of doing. Each of you brought out good points. I thank you for each of them
I’ll keep you posted on my decision. I will try one if the local camera shop permits me.

"Shops", plural ?? Lucky you !

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Mar 4, 2024 19:12:25   #
BebuLamar
 
User ID wrote:
We have Award Winning Prof. Weird William now to deliver that stuff to us lately, always posed as a question to pretend its not spam.


I've been to the largest Yodobashi store in Tokyo. It's more like a big Best Buy with several stories. Very unlike something like B&H. Well I did enjoy the 8K broadcast from NHK on a 65" screen. Looked great.

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Mar 4, 2024 22:17:37   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Balderdash. The M4/3 weight/size advantage while it does exist…it's not as great as proponents of the smaller form factor expound on (I just checked on system weights today for an equivalent wildlife/landscape system). And there are tradeoffs because of the smaller sensor…and those tradeoffs may, or then again may not have any relevance to a particular user.

And claiming that the OM is the best weather sealing there is…where did you get that from? All of the competing models from other vendors have excellent weather sealing, just as the OM1 system does.

There are reasons that for some…M4/3 might be a better overall system…and then again there are reasons that DX or FX are also better or worse overall choices. Putting out grandiose claims like this just confuses the unwary.
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Balderdash?

Price the long Pro lenses against the big 3 equivalents, in those cases where there is an equivalent. For the same field of view the price is about half, the size and weight are not comparable. And compare the Oly 12-100 f/4 Pro againt a big3 equivalent in size, weight, and price.

And if some of the johnny -come-latelys have started to catch up in weather sealing and image stabilization, Olympus was still way ahead of them. I would never have taken my Nikons in the same conditions I wouldn't blink an eye about exposing my OM-1s or my EM-1s to.

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Mar 5, 2024 01:43:01   #
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BebuLamar wrote:
I've been to the largest Yodobashi store in Tokyo. It's more like a big Best Buy with several stories. Very unlike something like B&H. Well I did enjoy the 8K broadcast from NHK on a 65" screen. Looked great.

Understandable that in Tokyo a "Bestbuy" would sprawl mainly vertically.

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Mar 5, 2024 01:56:52   #
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moonhawk wrote:
Balderdash?

Price the long Pro lenses against the big 3 equivalents, in those cases where there is an equivalent. For the same field of view the price is about half, the size and weight are not comparable. And compare the Oly 12-100 f/4 Pro againt a big3 equivalent in size, weight, and price. ...........
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One more thing about the 12-100/4.0 is that due to the smaller format, that 8x zoom has premium imaging all across the entire zoom range. With larger sensors, primo imaging is confined to about a 4x zoom range (24-105).

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Mar 5, 2024 04:00:03   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
While the 7100 is sort of dated technologically and sensor quality wise (i.e., newer sensors generally have less noise and a higher dynamic range)…there's nothing wrong with it and your current lenses from a quality point of view. I'm not an Olympus guy but the OM1's are mirrorless and it's really not fair to compare them with an older DSLR from an overall capabilities point of view. Because they're newer…like mirrorless from other brands…they have the EVF to go along with the newer generation sensor and the AF is considerably improved over older models due to ongoing tech change and Moore's Law.

What you need to do is decide for yourself whether the advantages that come along with mirrorless are worth investing in at this point in your photography life…and if so what budget you want to have…along with any physical limitations that might have an impact as micro four thirds bodies are smaller and their lenses are also somewhat smaller in general. You also need to take into account the whole OM works different and has different menus and button names and control names than Nikon…but then there's some learning curve even within Nikon going from the DSLR bodies and lenses to the mirrorless ones.

The weight advantage of the M4/3 systems is real…but in reality it's not as significant as some might claim…I checked earlier today and an OM 1 2 lens kit that has comparable focal length reach to a Nikon Z50 2 lens kit is less than a half pound lighter. The real weight savings of the M4/3 is that the crop factor is 2 so a 300mm lens is equivalent to a 600mm FF one…and a 300mm lens is lighter and smaller than a 600mm one is simply because of physics…but as I said comparing the weights it's relatively minor overall.

Personally if I was upgrading from a D7100 I would probably get a Nikon Z50 and depending on my needs would get some Z FX lenses because there's not a whole lot of choice in DX lenses in Z mount…but then there's a lot of muscle memory of where the controls are and how the menus are setup and while the Zs are different from the earlier DSLRs it's evolutionary rather than the revolutionary it would be going to any other brand.

What you'll get with any newer body and lenses than what you have now is all the advantages that come along with ever evolving tech…less noise, more MP, better dynamic range, better AF…as well as the advantages that come along with the shift from DSLR to mirrorless…the bodies are smaller because there's no need for the mirror box. A full frame Z5/6/7 series body is the same size and weight as the D7500 DX body that my Z7II replaced…and Z lenses are generally better, more controls, and also smaller and lighter than their F counterparts…again because of the wider Z mount throat, closer lens to sensor distance, and more sophisticated optical design software running on faster design computers.

If you stay in the Nikon family…then it's a choice between DX and FX and these days Nikon has pretty much identified their DX products as consumer models, not dedicated photographer models…largely because the DXs are designed to a price point that doesn't allow all the goodies the higher priced models have.
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Like I said, it depends on the OP’s requirements. The Z50 is a nice little camera and superior to the D7100 in every way. The OM-1 is a pro level camera that is superior to the Z50 in just about every way. The Z50 with the 2 kit lenses might not be much heavier, but you can actually cover that focal range with one lens on the OM-1. The Z50 lacks IBIS also. And the bit about not really being fair to compare them? What’s that all about? It makes no sense. The entire point of comparison is to see the differences.

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Mar 5, 2024 04:04:46   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
neillaubenthal wrote:
Balderdash. The M4/3 weight/size advantage while it does exist…it's not as great as proponents of the smaller form factor expound on (I just checked on system weights today for an equivalent wildlife/landscape system). And there are tradeoffs because of the smaller sensor…and those tradeoffs may, or then again may not have any relevance to a particular user.

And claiming that the OM is the best weather sealing there is…where did you get that from? All of the competing models from other vendors have excellent weather sealing, just as the OM1 system does.

There are reasons that for some…M4/3 might be a better overall system…and then again there are reasons that DX or FX are also better or worse overall choices. Putting out grandiose claims like this just confuses the unwary.
Balderdash. The M4/3 weight/size advantage while i... (show quote)


Well, yes my Nikons, (Z9, Z7), have excellent weathersealing, but the OM-1 is the only one that is IP rated, (IP53).

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