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Mar 4, 2024 12:02:29   #
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Delderby wrote:
Apart from laughing at your puerile waste-of-time comments, my personal experiences regarding recent changes in my equipment show that passing on such food for thought may be of benefit to interested parties - not you, of course, but real photographers.

Ive seen your photos.
Ive read your humor.
NEVER quit your day job !

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Mar 4, 2024 12:12:26   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 
Delderby wrote:
Decent at what price? I agree this could be a solution - but a fixed quality zoom camera could also be the answer, with the trade-in being a major contribution to cost. Serious photographers should keep an open mind to new innovation - such as the Sony RX10 iv. Looking hurts nobody!


NO ONE has said anything about cost - except you .... AGREE with the RX10 - I have one - but if I can manage the size/weight of my other/bigger stuff for short distances or for lower light - I take the big stuff.
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Mar 4, 2024 12:19:37   #
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imagemeister wrote:
NO ONE has said anything about cost - except you .... AGREE with the RX10 - I have one - but if I can manage the size/weight of my other/bigger stuff for short distances or for lower light - I take the big stuff.
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True. Cost is Delderberrys thing. The OPs question had no hint of such a concern. No doubt it matters somewhat to most buyers, but it wasnt on the table til he put it there.

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Mar 4, 2024 12:34:03   #
alvin3232 Loc: Houston, TX
 
Google provides the answer.

https://cameradecision.com/compare/OM-System-OM-1-Mark-II-vs-Nikon-D7100

Al

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Mar 4, 2024 13:03:59   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
User ID wrote:
Ive seen your photos.
Ive read your humor.
NEVER quit your day job !


So you saw my Panasonic Photo of the Week.
I don't have a day job - I don't need one - for which I am truly grateful.
When communicating please include the qualifications after your name (AH - with hons.)

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Mar 4, 2024 13:11:46   #
imagemeister Loc: mid east Florida
 


IMO, the most important take-away from this comparison = "If image quality is the most important aspect in a camera, choose the Nikon D7100. If not, we recommend the OM System OM-1 II. "
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Mar 4, 2024 14:32:31   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
Bill_de wrote:
ThINKING of purchasing a OM 1 or a Mark ll but it seems like no one can tell me the difference

I think you are mistaking this as 2 different items.

https://explore.omsystem.com/us/en/om-1-mark-ii?open

I could be wrong.

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I believe he’s talking about the difference between the OM-1 and the just released OM-1 MkII. I never had a D7100 but I’ve had a D7000, D7200 and D500. All very good image quality, as is my OM-1, but when it comes to other capabilities the OM-1 completely blows them away. A lot depends on what you shoot, but I make good use of mine for all kinds of shooting. For wildlife there’s Pro Capture and 25fps with focus tracking, (50fps with the Pro lenses). For city night shooting I live Live ND and Live Composite. I’m not making the jump to the MkII because I just can’t justify the expense right now. It is tempting and if I didn’t already have the OM-1 I would get the new one. The biggest differences are a bigger buffer, improved AF, (although the autofocus was already very good), and for me, Live ND adding another stop to ND128.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:26:00   #
neillaubenthal
 
JimBart wrote:
Currently I possess a Nikon 7100 with Nikon lens of 18-140 and 55-300 plus a Sigma 150-300 and enjoy it. I shoot mainly wildlife and landscapes
I am however ThINKING of purchasing a OM 1 or a Mark ll but it seems like no one can tell me the difference between the 2 systems. I like the clarity/sharpness of the OM system and know I’ll need a new lens but nothing more. Is it worth a change?
HELP!!


While the 7100 is sort of dated technologically and sensor quality wise (i.e., newer sensors generally have less noise and a higher dynamic range)…there's nothing wrong with it and your current lenses from a quality point of view. I'm not an Olympus guy but the OM1's are mirrorless and it's really not fair to compare them with an older DSLR from an overall capabilities point of view. Because they're newer…like mirrorless from other brands…they have the EVF to go along with the newer generation sensor and the AF is considerably improved over older models due to ongoing tech change and Moore's Law.

What you need to do is decide for yourself whether the advantages that come along with mirrorless are worth investing in at this point in your photography life…and if so what budget you want to have…along with any physical limitations that might have an impact as micro four thirds bodies are smaller and their lenses are also somewhat smaller in general. You also need to take into account the whole OM works different and has different menus and button names and control names than Nikon…but then there's some learning curve even within Nikon going from the DSLR bodies and lenses to the mirrorless ones.

The weight advantage of the M4/3 systems is real…but in reality it's not as significant as some might claim…I checked earlier today and an OM 1 2 lens kit that has comparable focal length reach to a Nikon Z50 2 lens kit is less than a half pound lighter. The real weight savings of the M4/3 is that the crop factor is 2 so a 300mm lens is equivalent to a 600mm FF one…and a 300mm lens is lighter and smaller than a 600mm one is simply because of physics…but as I said comparing the weights it's relatively minor overall.

Personally if I was upgrading from a D7100 I would probably get a Nikon Z50 and depending on my needs would get some Z FX lenses because there's not a whole lot of choice in DX lenses in Z mount…but then there's a lot of muscle memory of where the controls are and how the menus are setup and while the Zs are different from the earlier DSLRs it's evolutionary rather than the revolutionary it would be going to any other brand.

What you'll get with any newer body and lenses than what you have now is all the advantages that come along with ever evolving tech…less noise, more MP, better dynamic range, better AF…as well as the advantages that come along with the shift from DSLR to mirrorless…the bodies are smaller because there's no need for the mirror box. A full frame Z5/6/7 series body is the same size and weight as the D7500 DX body that my Z7II replaced…and Z lenses are generally better, more controls, and also smaller and lighter than their F counterparts…again because of the wider Z mount throat, closer lens to sensor distance, and more sophisticated optical design software running on faster design computers.

If you stay in the Nikon family…then it's a choice between DX and FX and these days Nikon has pretty much identified their DX products as consumer models, not dedicated photographer models…largely because the DXs are designed to a price point that doesn't allow all the goodies the higher priced models have.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:30:22   #
neillaubenthal
 
moonhawk wrote:
The biggest difference you will notice is the size/weight/price of the longer lenses in the m/43 system. Smaller/lighter/less expensive.

Going to mirrorless is a great advantage in some regards. The image stabilization will be a revelation, and if you shoot in foul weather, the OM weather sealing is the best there is. Enjoy whatever you decide.


Balderdash. The M4/3 weight/size advantage while it does exist…it's not as great as proponents of the smaller form factor expound on (I just checked on system weights today for an equivalent wildlife/landscape system). And there are tradeoffs because of the smaller sensor…and those tradeoffs may, or then again may not have any relevance to a particular user.

And claiming that the OM is the best weather sealing there is…where did you get that from? All of the competing models from other vendors have excellent weather sealing, just as the OM1 system does.

There are reasons that for some…M4/3 might be a better overall system…and then again there are reasons that DX or FX are also better or worse overall choices. Putting out grandiose claims like this just confuses the unwary.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:39:03   #
neillaubenthal
 


Pointless article. Comparing a 10 year old DSLR with a brand new mirrorless is apples and broccoli. Nothing…price, sensor format, or capabilities makes those two in any way a viable comparison.

There might be good reasons to upgrade to a m4/3…just as there might be good reasons to upgrade to a Nikon mirrorless…and then there are good reasons not to do both of those.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:43:11   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
BebuLamar wrote:
I guess it's me that don't have common sense that I never ask which I should buy. Common sense is to get concensus from fellow UHH's members.


"Concensus from fellow UHH members" How would one know?

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Mar 4, 2024 15:48:12   #
DaveyDitzer Loc: Western PA
 
charles brown wrote:
"Concensus from fellow UHH members" How would one know?


Fellow UHH members are always willing to spend someone else's money. OP: it's your money and your set of criteria. Time for some research on your own depending upon your needs, desires.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:49:00   #
BebuLamar
 
charles brown wrote:
"Concensus from fellow UHH members" How would one know?


If (a big IF) most of the UHH's members would suggest one way then the OP got the consensus from them. But chances are the suggestions are all over and none really has more people agree to than the others. In fact the OP already decided what he wanted to to do but he just wanted most of us agree to that. That won't happen.

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Mar 4, 2024 16:05:47   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
JimBart wrote:
Currently I possess a Nikon 7100 with Nikon lens of 18-140 and 55-300 plus a Sigma 150-300 and enjoy it. I shoot mainly wildlife and landscapes
I am however ThINKING of purchasing a OM 1 or a Mark ll but it seems like no one can tell me the difference between the 2 systems. I like the clarity/sharpness of the OM system and know I’ll need a new lens but nothing more. Is it worth a change?
HELP!!


One issue that hasn't been discussed is what a camera feels like in your hands when being used. There will be a big difference between your Nikon 7100 and the OM camera. If at all possible, go to a camera store and compare the two using the lens that you use most frequently. You may like how the OM fits in your hand, then again you may not.

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Mar 4, 2024 16:22:58   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
charles brown wrote:
One issue that hasn't been discussed is what a camera feels like in your hands when being used. There will be a big difference between your Nikon 7100 and the OM camera. If at all possible, go to a camera store and compare the two using the lens that you use most frequently. You may like how the OM fits in your hand, then again you may not.


Yes - this could be very important. I swapped my much loved Leica d-lux 109 because neuropathy in my hands was causing it difficult to hold - I needed something bigger to get a good and comfortable grip with less crowded.buttons.

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