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Mar 4, 2024 10:21:31   #
BigDaddy Loc: Pittsburgh, PA
 
burkphoto wrote:
All you have to do is examine the metadata in the EXIF table...

Of course all metadata in the EXIF table can be edited by anyone with a desire.
EXIFTOOL comes to mind.

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Mar 4, 2024 10:36:13   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
As hard as it is to believe there was once a time when old school journalists treasured accuracy in reporting above all. There was an attribute called integrity that seems to have taken a hit in contemporary society. Couple integrity with the desire to be to be “first to press” with news you get policies that do not make sense in other contexts. So here we are trying to to use an irrelevant policy in a tiresome vs. argument.

As I remember, National Geographic fueled by a cover photograph depicting Egyptian pyramids in a configuration not available at any real world viewpoint has imposed a policy that ready for press photographs be supported by a exceedingly difficult to fake raw file.

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Mar 4, 2024 11:56:41   #
Bridges Loc: Memphis, Charleston SC, now Nazareth PA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Makes no sense. Why do they care if the jpgs started out as raw only capture? I can see why they don't want gigantic raw files, and certainly jpgs are all a news organization would need, but how the photographer took them originally is a moot point I would think.


RAW files require post-processing and that means they could have different interpretations from different people. The red barn from one source may be the brick-red barn if sent in by someone else. Note they also asked for minimal corrections to be made. By using Jpegs, they are getting pretty much what the subject actually looked like at the time it was taken. The Jpegs do not depend on what a photographer wants the shot to look like, it just is what it is unless someone messes with it a lot and they have asked for that not to happen.

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Mar 4, 2024 12:32:54   #
chasgroh Loc: Buena Park, CA
 
BigDaddy wrote:
Makes no sense. Why do they care if the jpgs started out as raw only capture? I can see why they don't want gigantic raw files, and certainly jpgs are all a news organization would need, but how the photographer took them originally is a moot point I would think.


...ignorance.

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Mar 4, 2024 13:20:59   #
E.L.. Shapiro Loc: Ottawa, Ontario Canada
 
I think that some of the folks who post onthis thread are superimposing too much technology on a simple production required that has more to do with pricing and transmitting images as opposed to the ethics of journalism.

I believe there are two types of "news" publications, straightforward and honest publications and "rags" ! The first kid practices journalism and the latter "yellow journalism which is not factual but fakery, ridiculous sensationalism, gossip, and smut.

Mostof the authenticity or falsehoods take place in the writing and dishonesty altered images accompany the bad copy. Accurate documentary reporting is usually accompanied by authentic photography.

No doubt, many time-honored newspapers,s and publications do have ideological linings that show up in the editorial content but that is no secret. Folks who read them know what they are getting. The rags are not NEWS, they are weird entertainment!

As for photojournalists and news shooters- put the technicalities of RAW vs. Jpeg aside. Forget about how the image is "processed" in the camera or therafter. Think more about how the image is "processed" or approached in the photographer's brain. Even a slight change in viewpoint, focal length, or what is included or omitted from the "frame" can all tell very differet stories. The picture editor can crop something out of an image but can not honestly reinsert waht may have been left out.

In the olden days, the news services and papers were kida standardized on 8x10 or so glossy prints- not matte, not textured no too small or too large. The wire serves placed the prits on a drum- scanner-like device and the images were received on a similar device at the newspapers printed on Newsprint with a 55-line screen.

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Mar 4, 2024 13:41:13   #
dave.speeking Loc: Brooklyn OH
 
Shoot RAW+JPG. Shooting both will provide the photog proof of ownership if an
image is stolen or manipulated for nefarious reasons. There are bad guys out there.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:04:23   #
Mike1017
 
Very Interesting I shoot nothing but RAW and the comment made was its for amateurs ( Really ) I am pro photographer. I guess I am doing something wrong, been shooting RAW for many years. I guess its called whatever floats your boat. I also guess that means shoot in full automatic. Oh well what ever works for ya.

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Mar 4, 2024 15:09:26   #
Mike1017
 
Wrong wrong wrong not true you can do much more to a raw image that JPG .

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Mar 4, 2024 15:17:07   #
charles brown Loc: Tennesse
 
Longshadow wrote:
"Banned RAW files" and photos that were processed from RAW photos are different.
"Processed" seems to be the keyword here, it appears that they want the original JPEG from the camera, unprocessed.



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Mar 4, 2024 15:19:25   #
pego101
 
Raw shooting should be illegal.
Lol only kidding.
I only shoot raw

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Mar 4, 2024 15:23:42   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
Mike1017 wrote:
Very Interesting I shoot nothing but RAW and the comment made was its for amateurs ( Really ) I am pro photographer. I guess I am doing something wrong, been shooting RAW for many years. I guess its called whatever floats your boat. I also guess that means shoot in full automatic. Oh well what ever works for ya.


I'm not sure who you are replying to since you didn't use Quote Reply. You're a pro, but are you a photojournalist? That's what the discussion is about.

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Mar 4, 2024 17:30:15   #
GLSmith Loc: Tampa, Fl
 
It would be interesting to see Reuters definition of “FreeLance Contributors”. Didn’t realize the major outlets still used them….probably refers to readers

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Mar 5, 2024 00:02:10   #
Dan' de Bourgogne
 
LittleRed wrote:
Found this article posted in website petapixel.com. Tis an interesting one fer sure. This is a portion of a letter sent out to their freelance staff. Guess in certain circumstances jpegs still rule!
Quote -

I’d like to pass on a note of request to our freelance contributors due to a worldwide policy change.. In future, please don’t send photos to Reuters that were processed from RAW or CR2 files. If you want to shoot raw images that’s fine, just take JPEGs at the same time. Only send us the photos that were originally JPEGs, with minimal processing (cropping, correcting levels, etc).

LittleRed (Ron)
Found this article posted in website petapixel.com... (show quote)



Ah! I will finally be able to work with this agency

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Mar 5, 2024 09:01:54   #
Lagoonguy Loc: New Smyrna Beach, FL
 
Hip Coyote wrote:
It’s actually a very common practice in photo journalism. The AP has very strict
Guidelines on what can and cannot be edited. For instance a photo can be cropped but people cannot be edited out. They don’t allow for a lot of leeway.

The point is that the photog is trying to capture an image that is documentary, not necessarily artistic. Al thought the good ones often do both. RAW simply requires too much editing and allowance for interpretation of the image.

A good example was years ago Time had a photo of OJ Simpson that they intentionally darkened his face with deep shadows to make him look more sinister. There were significant ethics issues involved and they clearly editorialized a photo through editing.

As usual a blanket statement, without context, is not often accurate or helpful. In this case the news agencies need accuracy and raw does not help. In some ways it hinders.

Often field photogs are uploading their pics on the fly. Others may be downloading them, determining what goes to publication etc. in addition They simply don’t have time to mess with each photo. Just like some wedding photogs and others. Time is money. And they’re on a very tight schedule.

I shoot almost exclusively RAW the latitude it provides my amateur skills. The news agencies are trying to achieve the exact opposite. Now if they could achieve neutrality and accuracy in reporting we’d all be better off.
It’s actually a very common practice in photo jour... (show quote)


Yes

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Mar 6, 2024 15:45:49   #
jimneotech Loc: Michigan
 
Longshadow wrote:
"Banned RAW files" and photos that were processed from RAW photos are different.
"Processed" seems to be the keyword here, it appears that they want the original JPEG from the camera, unprocessed.


My guess is that it is easier to spoof an AI picture to a RAW file than a JPEG since JPEG files have conjoined data points.

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