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Feb 23, 2024 15:40:48   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
The portraits are very moving, definitely a feeling of "real" humans in that era.

The slave auction house was disturbing. Again, color makes it feel more real. I hadn't viewed more than a few seconds when I first wrote in your thread, so I didn't know there would not be any battlefield carnage. For me, colorizing those scenes would have been sacrilege in a way.


I agree on all points.

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Feb 23, 2024 15:43:45   #
Dean37 Loc: Fresno, CA
 
I have always preferred photos in color. Black and white are fine, but except for looking for dimensioning detail, I would not use it.

A number of years ago, I had cataracts and did not realize how much color perception I had lost. UNTIL I had cataract surgery. Even though they changed my vision from 20/400 and 20/600 to 20/25 and 20/20, I was ecstatic about how vivid the colors really were.

As to the content of the photos, we have to realize the photos captured reality and the colorized photos simply brought it out better, for me anyhow. If we don't learn from history, we seriously risk repeating it.

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Feb 23, 2024 17:53:53   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I watched a video on YouTube tonight of colorized Civil War era photos. Most of the photos I have seen many, many times over the years, and I am amazed by the difference it makes to see them in color.

I'll put the link in the next post.


For me, seeing historical photos in colour is not necessary. I think they look inaccurate. Colour isn't needed to see life as it was. In fact, there are lots of photos that are so perfect in black and white that they need nothing else introduced to make them better. That's my personal opinion, of course. Can you tell that I prefer B&W over colour?

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Feb 23, 2024 18:01:05   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
Dean37 wrote:
I have always preferred photos in color. Black and white are fine, but except for looking for dimensioning detail, I would not use it.

A number of years ago, I had cataracts and did not realize how much color perception I had lost. UNTIL I had cataract surgery. Even though they changed my vision from 20/400 and 20/600 to 20/25 and 20/20, I was ecstatic about how vivid the colors really were.

As to the content of the photos, we have to realize the photos captured reality and the colorized photos simply brought it out better, for me anyhow. If we don't learn from history, we seriously risk repeating it.
I have always preferred photos in color. Black an... (show quote)


As one who does lots of copying of family photo albums for digital slide shows, I'll point out that one of the terrible things about color is that the dyes in traditional silver halide chromogenic prints fade rapidly. 30 to 40 year old prints show SERIOUSLY bad fading. So if you work in color, archive your digital images, and if you print, print new images with a pigment ink photo printer. Pigment color inks printed on archival quality inkjet photo papers are tested by Wilhelm Imaging Research to last up to 200 years or more. Black pigment inks can last twice that long. Real silver halide black-and-white materials are made with grains of silver metal, and when properly processed, can last well over 150 years.

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Feb 24, 2024 09:37:58   #
Jack 13088 Loc: Central NY
 
Longshadow wrote:
WOW!


I see your WOW! And raise you a MOST EXCELLENT!!!!!!

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Feb 24, 2024 10:16:36   #
gvarner Loc: Central Oregon Coast
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
Mike, amazed in a good way or bad? Expand, please I'd love to chat about the role of color vs. the impact of black and white.


I think B&W has to be done properly with respect to contrast and tones in order to invoke the emotional connection that color does.

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Feb 24, 2024 10:27:49   #
leftj Loc: Texas
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
I watched a video on YouTube tonight of colorized Civil War era photos. Most of the photos I have seen many, many times over the years, and I am amazed by the difference it makes to see them in color.

I'll put the link in the next post.


What difference does it make?

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Feb 24, 2024 10:40:39   #
ThreeCee Loc: Washington, DC
 
Timmers wrote:
Collodion and wet Collodion process was not color sensitive as was the later emulsions. So a B&W image from the era may not be accurate to the color of the images from that time. The early silver gelatin emulsions of early films were not vary sensitive in the red end of the spectrum either and much of the early film emulsions were in the sensitivity range of 3200K, thus Super Pancro Press, type B was favored by landscape photographer such as Ansel Adams who intentionally did not correct the material to daylight illumination because the resulting images were more to his (their) liking for rendering in the band areas for B&W (Adams purchased vast quantities of Super Pancro Press, Type B as Kodak was fazing it out for the more color accurate red sensitive balanced B&W film emulsions.).

So, what was a modern emulsion that was close to Collodion films? Kodak Duplicating Film would be a good film example. It was blue sensitive, with a vary slight green sensitivity and no sensitivity in the red region. If you wanted to make an image that showed freckles strongly, this was the film for the job. It would display freckles so strongly that freckles that were not seen by normal illumination to a viewer were seen and in abundance. This is why old portraits of the time appear so 'ruddy' as to skin tone. The daylight speed of this film is stated by Kodak as about 8 to 12 ISO and that is quite accurate, a little more sensitive than Collodion emulsions of the time.

One last item, war photographer only traveled with large bodies of troops. Collodion is a necessary material for medical purposes of the time, so a photographers wagon was more desirable to capture and raid by both sides than any other supply. It was a dangerous profession to be in during war. Not to mention the volatile nature of the materials used in making the emulsions.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collodion
Collodion and wet Collodion process was not color ... (show quote)

Thank you for this info.

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Feb 24, 2024 11:22:15   #
Toment Loc: FL, IL
 
Color distracts, that's the point. It may be "beautiful" but is only one part of a photo. B&W is as said above about composition and story. IMHO.

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Feb 24, 2024 11:40:54   #
Real Nikon Lover Loc: Simi Valley, CA
 
burkphoto wrote:
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One is not necessarily better than the other at all times. They are different media. They communicate different things differently. War photos in color can be more impactful, but when you are trying to rally support for a war effort (think WWII), B&W keeps people on a different mental focus (i.e.; winning).

B&W communicates with shape, line, form, contrast, moment, subject, and pure composition. Like radio news, it focuses our attention on the idea of the subject.

Color communicates emotion, immediately. Stage lighting designers use the entire palette of colors to set moods for scenes in a play, or songs in a concert. When the nightly TV news began to show color film reports from Vietnam back in the 1960s, many Americans quickly got queasy about the war.
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Absolutely spot on regarding Vietnam and use of color. We lost Cronkite.

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Feb 24, 2024 13:45:58   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
leftj wrote:
What difference does it make?


If it makes no difference to you, why comment? Why did you even read the post?

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Feb 24, 2024 13:50:25   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
DebAnn wrote:
For me, seeing historical photos in colour is not necessary. I think they look inaccurate. Colour isn't needed to see life as it was. In fact, there are lots of photos that are so perfect in black and white that they need nothing else introduced to make them better. That's my personal opinion, of course. Can you tell that I prefer B&W over colour?


While I can see someone preferring B&W as an artistic medium I disagree about seeing life as it was. I think the color more successfully transports me to a time and place. I think I get a better sense of what it was like. People didn’t live in B&W.

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Feb 24, 2024 13:57:07   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
Real Nikon Lover wrote:
Absolutely spot on regarding Vietnam and use of color. We lost Cronkite.


Or gained him.

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Feb 24, 2024 13:58:29   #
Horseart Loc: Alabama
 
As an artist, I will always choose color over B/W even those some B/W photos are very vivid and outstanding, great contrast and detailed. A while back, I was asked here if I could paint a picture in black and white. YES I can and YES, I will paint one and post it here when I think of what I'd want to paint...just hasn't come to me yet, but color will always be my choice...I just can't help it.

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Feb 24, 2024 14:02:27   #
Blenheim Orange Loc: Michigan
 
SuperflyTNT wrote:
I think the color more successfully transports me to a time and place. I think I get a better sense of what it was like.

That describes my experience with those images. I am very familiar with the images and the history, but the colorized images transports me to that time and place in a way that the narratives and b&w images do not. I had a similar experience walking the actual battle fields for the first time.

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