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Jan 31, 2024 17:03:22   #
frankraney Loc: Clovis, Ca.
 
Jklovell wrote:
I want advice on what to do here: I've been providing framed prints of my landscape photography to the hospital where I am employed as a nurse. I have done about 36 so far over the past 3 years. All have been the same size: 24"X36" black and white prints on Hahnemühle Photo Rag® Ultra Smooth 305 g matte paper, 4-ply white cotton rag mats, 3½" wide on the top and sides, 5" on the bottom, acid free Foam Cor backing, 1½" flat face black frames, 1⅜" deep, .118" non-glare acrylic glazing, a dust cover and security hardware. I charge $526 plus $20 to hang them. A week ago, they asked for some proofs to choose 3 from. I provided them (50) 9"X12" prints on metallic paper (to better represent the affect of glazing) to choose from. They came back with a request for bulk pricing for 8 with the above dimensions. Since they have been good to me, I took off $100 and the $26 for each of the 8. They agreed and I asked for them to tell me which ones they want. Two days later, (today) they are now asking for a price for just the 8 prints and they want to buy all of the 9X12" proofs. I don't like that. I priced my work on pretty much the high end of what multiple framing sites would charge for everything but the print. I never calculated the print's worth, but it sounds like they want to get them framed cheaper somewhere else. And as far as the proofs go, I have no idea what they want those for. I think I want to refuse to sell them the big prints unframed and if they want the proofs, I want to frame those too.
Any advice on how to handle this without affecting my reputation?
I want advice on what to do here: I've been provid... (show quote)


I agree with Robert, but I would not sell proofs. Tell them they are proofs and will not hold up, proofs are only for coding from. Offer to print quality periods of them that will hold up.

In the future put the word PROOF, on them.

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Jan 31, 2024 21:02:57   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
And in the near future, if not already, they will just place an order in "AI catalog" and get something that will suit them. Not a pleasant thought.

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Feb 1, 2024 04:28:40   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
Bridges wrote:
It sounds like you are offering a top-quality product. Have you explained to the buyer how an investment in archival prints and matting will hold its value for many years to come? Tell him you could use lower-grade papers and matting but in 10 years the prints could fade and the mats turn yellow around the edges. Explain that your reputation as a photographer would be diminished if the prints didn't hold up so you would prefer to continue providing the products you are currently selling. As for selling the portfolio prints I can't offer much advice. It may be some of the staff want a smaller print to put in their office rather than exhibit in a public area. You might ask them how they intend to use the smaller prints. This would be a reasonable request for an unframed print since they may want to match frames already in use in their office.
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A breath of fresh air. Thank you. There is a God.

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Feb 1, 2024 05:49:07   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
rcorne001 wrote:
What if you agree to splitting the bill with delivery upon "paid in full". Would that be something you could handle?


Very interesting. I hadn't thought of that. I do trust that they will pay me. Additionally, Having them hanging before getting paid lessens their ability to change their mind. Now, if we had a contract, I suppose that would be almost, if not just as good; assuming we have the same morals.

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Feb 1, 2024 05:58:56   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
sippyjug104 wrote:
One of the many hats that I wore in the business was sales training and I reminded all of the trainees that we are ALL customers and those we want to sell to are no different than us.

People buy for THEIR reasons, not yours. It is also a buyer's market and unless you have an exclusive product, the buyer will always have other choices. Perhaps think about this: A picture of a landscape is far different than that of a staged setting. Why...? Because you do not own or have any claim to the scenery, which many times may be public areas. Did you get a release from the owner of the property you photographed to sell the image of their property for your financial gain? I suspect not.
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I was just thinking about that last night. I have a book (an E-Book rather) about the legal aspects of photography. It's relatively easy to follow, it's just really long. I'm wondering now, if I shouldn't take the time to read the whole thing. However, I did gather, from the little I read, that state and local laws play a major role too. You can't always go on your gut either. Sometimes what feels right isn't always right and sometimes what feels wrong, isn't always wrong.

I appreciate the food for thought.

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Feb 1, 2024 06:13:16   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
mikeroetex wrote:
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You selling pictures or frames?


Am I the only one that sees the frame "nearly as", if not "just as" important as the print? It would certainly be complimentary.

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Feb 5, 2024 06:29:35   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Jklovell wrote:
Am I the only one that sees the frame "nearly as", if not "just as" important as the print? It would certainly be complimentary.

I get it, the "presentation" and all. But that's your ideal. I'd rather sell the photo at 70% of my usual framed price than no sale. What's to keep a customer from buying with your frame, then taking the photo out and putting it into one of their own frames (other than cost)?

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Feb 23, 2024 12:29:31   #
Jklovell Loc: Rock Hill, SC
 
mikeroetex wrote:
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You selling pictures or frames?


Just saw your response.
I’m selling both. That is what the whole thing is about.

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Feb 23, 2024 16:30:54   #
mikeroetex Loc: Lafayette, LA
 
Jklovell wrote:
Just saw your response.
I’m selling both. That is what the whole thing is about.

Yeah, but my point is you are a photographer first, not a frame shop. If your product is strictly all or none, that's your choice, but the customer may choose none. I totally understand your desire to represent your art in the best possible vision you have.

I personally have not sold much of my work, and when I have it is usually for a specific event or request (like from parents of kids playing in a baseball game). After I deliver my photos, it belongs to the customer now. It's not up to me how they enjoy them at home, framed or in a scrapbook.

How would you feel if they bought your work in the frames you provide, took them out of the frames and the next time you went to the hospital they were hanging in different frames?

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Feb 23, 2024 16:59:13   #
stan0301 Loc: Colorado
 
You have encountered a MBA - they are horrid people (no doubt yours would rather see you pay to hang pictures in HIS hospital) - if you give an inch he will totally loose respect for you, and phase you out at the first opportunity - I can't think of a time when I have seen hospitals cutting their prices - and you shouldn't yours - I would assume your price has been stable for a number of years, and you should point out that because you value your association you have not raised your price, in spite of increased costs on your end, and will make every effort to maintain the price level they currently enjoy.

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