clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

Is that how you characterize the mandates in California and many other states that no ICE cars will be sold? That has nothing to do with ideology? If the marketplace were to truly decide the government tax subsidies to “encourage” buying EVs would not exist. I don’t have a rats a.. what kind of car you drive but to say your team is letting the market decide and vapid. You can virtue signal all you want but be intellectually consistant.

rcarol

Ask owners of EVs in California if the ‘grid is safe’.

steve03 Loc: long Lsland

The fossil fuel industry spends 13 times the renewable industry on political campaigns. Still it will be people in the market for a new car that will decide the future of the automotive industry. I to don't give a rats A.. what. you drive but the consumer will be to ones that will determine what kind of car will be available in the future.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2020/01/fossil-fuel-political-giving-outdistances-renewables-13-to-one/

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

[quote=steve03]The fossil fuel industry spends 13 times the renewable industry on political campaigns. Still it will be people in the market for a new car that will decide the future of the automotive industry. I to don't give a rats A.. what. you drive but the consumer will be to ones that will determine what kind of car will be available in the future.
When the government puts their thumb on the scale of EVs what are they to do? Roll over and play dead. Wouldn’t it be cool if the energy companies did R&D in renewables. Oh wait, they do. My electric utility investing millions on developing a viable fuel cell that would power a large residence. It works but isn’t quite ready for prime time. Oh well, it will eventually be viable and they’ll earn a return on the investment. They are honest about it pros and cons an aren’t trying to jamb it down anybodys throat. It would be naive in the extreme to believe the energy producers aren’t working like crazy to develop energy sources outside their current business model. To my way of thinking choice is good. I suspect to 30,000 Icelanders without heat would agree. Same with the folks who had to abandon their EVs on the roads in the big blizzard recently. Or the auto dealers who sit on millions of unsold inventory. Choice not force. I recall somebody saying we should not underestimate Joes ability to F things up. Trying to kill traditional energy is but one example.

Wyantry Loc: SW Colorado

Good for you! Glad you like your vehicle.

Likely will not be as advantageous in most of the Western U.S. (except for the “Left Coast” states: CA, OR, WA).

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Of course the fossil fuel folks spend 13 times more than the renewables folks. That’s because the government actively promotes renewables while doing its best to shut down fossil fuels.

Nobody has to talk KFC into selling chicken because that’s what they already do just as nobody has to talk the government into pushing renewable energy because they already do.

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

Only coastal WA and OR. The inland folks are more conservative and the weather is not a user friendly for EVs.

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Rode in an EV Uber today, a Ford. There’s a button you can push that will make a motor sound. Step on the pedal and it makes a reving sound!

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

We did that with cards on the spokes of our bicycles.

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Ha! We never played cards so we’d use strips of a disposable tin pie pan. It was good and loud!

clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa

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