BebuLamar

Not my believe it's a fact. You miss the point that kWh isn't kW/h.

andesbill

It costs me about $100 to drive my Tesla 3 from Naples, FL to Hewlett, LI. I save about $20 compared with my previous car, a Camry hybrid.
In Florida I have solar panels which means it costs me very little to charge the car.
The car is marvelous to drive, but there is no effing way that I would own it if I still lived in Andes, NY.
I don’t think that there’s enough height above the ground to handle some of the roads in Delaware county, or 10 inches of snow. Also I would hate to hear the stones on the dirt road I lived on hitting the underside of the battery.
But here in south Florida? With solar panels? Great car.
BTW charging to NY costs us an extra 40 minutes or so each day on the road. (I charge at my daughter’s house- he also has a Tesla). But I save far more than the 1.5 hours to and fro NY by charging in my garage.
Also, I have had my ID stolen twice at gas stations in Florida, and once at the gas station in Delhi, NY.
If you haven’t driven a Tesla, definitely take one for a test drive, even if you have no intention of buying one. It is a lot of fun.

RolandDieter

RTed6 says he can charge his EV at his apartment complex in 3-4 hours. If several residents had an EV the waiting line would be horrible. The might need reservations and you might get a 1am-5am slot. No thanks.

sippyjug104 Loc: Missouri

Speaking of Public EV Charging Stations, the Federal Government TWO YEARS ago gave out $2.8 Billion taxpayer dollars to help offset the cost of building charging stations across the nation. As of today, not a single one has been built with that program handout. On the other hand, the private sector investors have built many charging stations.

DWU2 Loc: Phoenix Arizona area

In my view, any fixed monthly fees you pay are sunk costs, and should not be part of the cost calculation. Any fees or taxes that are consumption-based should be. You're going to pay the fixed fees regardless if you charge your vehicle at home. Ask yourself, "how much will my electric bill increase if I charge my vehicle at home?

Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area

I like your new picture, Jerry.

The cost of everything where I live is just getting ridiculous. Our electric company, PG&E, charges us .42 per KWh, and .45 per KWh between 4pm and 9pm. Effective this past Jan. 3rd they added a flat $60 fee to our bill each month, and said they will add another $60+ per month starting in March. This is all because of the gas explosion that happened in San Bruno years ago and the old crumbling pipeline infrastructure that they have to replace, let alone the fires that they caused from overhead power lines.

I live in an all electric house, only heat one room (about a third of the days each month because we have mild winters), and our January electric bill was $452. I can expect February’s bill to be $60 higher and March’s bill to be $60+ higher yet again.

Regular gas here has come down from $7.69 a gallon to $4.89 a gallon but it still costs me more than a hundred dollars to fill my Lexus gas tank.

I like to eat filet mignon about once a week and two five ounce pieces has increased from $20.99 in 2020 to $31.99. A dozen pasture raised eggs is $9.99 a dozen here. My wife likes organic half and half in her morning coffee. That’s increased from $2.69 a pint to $5.49 a pint since 2020. Wild king salmon is now $37.99 a pound here.

After living in Northern California for the past 44 years, we’re seriously considering moving up to the Pacific Northwest, where electricity is .08 per kWh, also doesn’t tax Social Security and has no state income tax, the food is cheaper, gas is cheaper, homes are cheaper, and my adult children who live in Seattle will only be a couple of hours away.

TriX Loc: Raleigh, NC

Well, at Whole Foods, that cost for coffee and a snack is not insignificant 😁, and that assumes that your time you spend waiting for a charge is worth nothing.

No oil or oil change maintenance, but the cost of out of warranty components (such as the battery or charging modules) is currently extremely high (and the wait for parts for some EVs can be extreme), which not only affects the operating expense, but also the resale value once the vehicle is out of warranty. Plus, not sure about your Leaf, but the cost of tires for many EVs is extremely high for EV rated tires due to the extra weight. But in the end, the depreciation of the vehicle is often the largest percentage of the operating expense, not maintenance or fuel/electricity. Most of the detailed long term evaluations I’ve seen show very similar costs to operating an EV to operating an ICE (especially in areas where electricity is expensive).

I’m all for cutting carbon emissions, and I think under certain circumstances an EV may be the best answer, especially for those that make daily relatively short trips, but I think the idea that there will be mass conversion to EVs anytime soon is a pipe dream. Our electrical infrastructure is barely adequate now, and upgrading it to replace the gasoline/diesel energy distribution infrastructure currently in place will take decades.

Fredrick Loc: Former NYC, now San Francisco Bay Area

When you look at the “total cost of ownership,” IN GENERAL EV’s are not cheaper than gas cars, are less convenient, you wait months for replacement parts, and if you think you’re helping to “save the planet,” think again. 69% of electricity is generated from coal and petroleum products. All those wind farms everyone talks about generates 2% to 3% electricity.
Even Toyota (at least for now) has given up on producing EV’s, focusing instead on hybrids.
20-30 years from now EV’s will become mainstream, and then I’ll buy one in my next life.

RKastner Loc: Davenport, FL

This would vary widely depending on the person's utility. We have Duke Energy. Duke is expensive, at least in Florida. With taxes and fees, we're close to $0.19/kWh

chrissybabe Loc: New Zealand

It would appear that few on here are aware of what is happening in the EV world. Unsold EVs on dealer lots, Ford and GM reducing if not stopping EV production, doubling of depreciation cf ICE (nobody seems to be taking that into consideration when working out their costs to run), higher initial cost (another cost cf ICE), massive fires the odd time an EV goes up into smoke, trip time longer, fuel anxiety a lot higher, cost of repairs higher, road damage higher which EV owners aren't paying for - yet (weight of EV is higher than an ICE), in most cases the electricity is from burning coal (so much for enviromentally friendly), initial cost of manf higher. There are others.
And the value of an EV when it becomes time to replace the battery will be zero so current EV depreciation hasn't reached its true value yet.

JimmyTB

I was just going to post something similar. I didn't want to read 3 pages so I was afraid I was going to repeat someone else's post. I'm glad your post was the latest that I saw.
So, ditto to chrissybabe

andesbill

I have t driven GM EV’s yet, but I did drive the Mustang. It neither looked nor drove like a Mustang. It was sloppy, slow, and felt cheap as compared with the Tesla. Another of the reasons that EV’s other than Tesla aren’t selling well is due to the slow/broken public chargers. By 2025 nearly all EV makers will be using the Tesla Supercharger and that will reduce fuel anxiety to near zero.
The odds of a Tesla burning is so low as to have less importance than the faulty airbags on so many ice cars.
More electricity today comes from green sources than coal. Except for West Virginia and maybe Montana, charging by electricity is greener than gasoline.
ICE cars produce pollution. Air from the exhaust, water from fracking and spills. Trust me, you would much rather sit behind a Tesla than an ICE car in traffic.
EV’s don’t weigh more than SUV’s. EV’s don’t require gasoline delivery trucks that weigh tons.
Gas stations leaked PTE which polluted nearly the entire country. Every gas station had to be retrofitted with new tanks, and only some of the land pollution was fixed. There is a map of ground pollution from oil, gas and chemical spillage from gas stations, drilling and moving oil, diesel and gas.
It will take time, but we are better off moving to EV vehicles.
BUT: If you don’t own your own home, or have the ability to charge from a dedicated charger at your apartment, you should not buy an EV- yet.
You don’t want one, that’s ok, but I’m telling you, try driving the Tesla. Floor the sucker. You still won’t get it, but it will make you smile.

Leland22 Loc: Texas

I have often asked how much it costs to charge. However, my concern is my Ford F150 has 290,000 miles and still going strong. How many batteries will have to be replaced and at what cost to achieve that many miles or even say 200K. Need to add that into the calculations. It is a long way to anything in Texas.

mtbear

Personally I have no use for a coal fueled car.

BebuLamar

Something like these?
http://www.robertsarmory.com/gas.htm