bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

Ok, the earth’s climate has changed many, many times over the eons and humans didn’t cause any of it those times but this time we are.

And burning fossil fuels puts carbon into the atmosphere which causes global warming. So where did all that carbon contained in fossil fuels come from? The atmosphere. It’s just been sequestered for 250 million years.

I’m not denying that humans may be altering the climate to a certain degree, but when we burn fossil fuels, we’re putting the carbon back where it came from originally.

We humans have been keeping weather records for maybe 250 years (being generous), which is nothing more than a quick blink in the earth’s existence. 6 weeks is short enough to be easily forgotten by we humans, but for a Monarch butterfly, it’s an entire lifetime. And a small portion of of that 6 weeks is a couple of generations of caddisflies. A human living 100 years is quite a feat but for one of those 400 year old tortoises it’s nothing. Even if caddisflies were sentient, they would never know what winter is. Compared to the earth’s history, humans are those caddisflies.

Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio

If climate change is occurring and I had to bet on its' cause, human beings or the sun, I would definitely bet on the sun. Point being, if adverse climate change is occurring, we can't stop it given the political and physical issues involved so we better learn how to adapt to it. Stop wasting time, money and resources trying to prevent it and spend them where they will do the most good.

pendennis

Here! Here!

The sun has the greatest effect on our climate. There are more folks who die from extreme cold, than extreme heat. Solar output varies, and humans haven't been around long enough to gauge those variations. In the last 2K+ years, we've seen that temperatures were warmer in the time of the Roman Empire. Rome was a near-tropical metropolis, and there are remnants of citrus orchards near Hadrian's Wall. We had a mini-ice age in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, and there are documented events describing a "lack of summer", and a complete lack of a "normal" growing season.

DPW Loc: Monroe, NH

A quandary, or something like that

OldIkon Loc: Indiana, USA

In the 1990's a WWII P-38 fighter was recovered from Greenland's ice. The plane was one of a squadron that were forced to land on a glacier during a transfer flight to England in 1942. From
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/air-space-magazine/glacier-girl-the-back-story-19218360/

"Within days, the radar teams had pinpointed the exact location of all eight airplanes. And it immediately became obvious why they hadn’t been located earlier. The shifting ice had carried the airplanes about two miles from their original location. And a high-pressure steam probe revealed that they lay beneath 264 feet of solid ice."

Question: If, in the time since the planes landed they were buried in nearly 300 feet of ice, when was it more dangerously warm (in Greenland), 1942 or 1992?

The plane was recovered, restored, and is flying as "Glacier Girl". I saw that another plane is also being recovered that was also under 300 feet of ice. See
https://www.popularmechanics.com/flight/a22575917/wwii-p-38-discovered-under-300-feet-of-ice-in-greenland/

SteveR Loc: Michigan

It is said that 18,000 years ago retreating ice carved out the Great Lakes. That must have been some melt off!!

bikinkawboy Loc: north central Missouri

As for planes being covered by 300 feet of ice, we are going to disregard that since it doesn’t support the most popular theory of global warming. The jury shall disregard that statement.