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Jan 21, 2024 12:40:11   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Imperfections aren't all created equal, and by its nature, impermanence doesn't have any enduring characteristics. How do we capture the essence of imperfection and impermanence?

Are not imperfections, like beauty, in the eyes of the beholder. Is not the crack in the tea pot perfection in its self while creating the illusion of imperfection in the pot? Anyway Buddha, I believe, was talking about the essence of a thing not its physical being.

Do we have to limit ourselves to photogenic examples of imperfection or impermanence?

Of course we do if we choose to label our image as "Wabi-sabi. What I am trying to understand is the use of the label "Wabi-sabi in photography. Is simply the image of a half dead flower on a white background with lots of negative space or is there something more to it?

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Jan 21, 2024 12:40:24   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
... Now I am being asked to accept the minimalist approach to photography as something called Wabi-sabi…
I’m sorry but I believe you have completely missed the point. As Ed’s well reasoned reply pointed out Wabi-sabi is a philosophy.

You have indicated Eastern philosophy does not sit well with you. And that’s ok. You know what you like. I suggest that you don’t worry about it.

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Jan 21, 2024 12:42:41   #
Architect1776 Loc: In my mind
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Definition of taxidermy: The activity of cleaning, preserving, and filling the skins of dead animals with special material to make them look as if they are still alive

Are you suggesting that the image I posted is of a preserved bird? I take that as a personal insult.


Has anyone just looked at something and thought,"That's cool" and left it at that without trying to make up some outlandish bunch letters into a word?

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Jan 21, 2024 12:45:03   #
MJPerini
 
As I get older, I'm getting a better handle on this Impermanence thing.........

I find Japan very interesting, I have only been there twice, and found it to be a wonderful place.
The emphasis on simplicity and quality, is a good antidote and balance to he ever increasing complexity and speed of modern life. Increasingly, they have the same conflicts there as we have here.
Look at the work of Moriyama and Sugimoto

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Jan 21, 2024 12:51:40   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
User ID wrote:
Im saying that the image is the equivalent of taxidermy. The lack of natural surrounding, the black background, looks like a museum display. Altho the bird doesnt look very lively, I just assume its a live bird cuz hawgsters are so often birders. Outside of this forum, some viewers may well assume its a static display.

Maybe I should have said "phototaxidermy" ? Ive never hesitated to coin new jargon.

OTOH, if some viewer does assume that its not phototaxidermy but is a sort of still life of a preserved bird, HOW does that insult you ? You made an image that does have a frozen static removed from nature aspect about it. The final verdict does belong to each viewer.
Im saying that the image is the equivalent of taxi... (show quote)


Did I not provide you with the accepted definition of "taxidermy"? Please explain to me how a photograph fits into that definition. Simply changing the rules does not in any way validate your position. It insults my intelligence that you expect me to fall for such simple ruse.

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Jan 21, 2024 12:52:59   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Architect1776 wrote:


I'm sure not the right person to ask that question

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Jan 21, 2024 12:56:21   #
Linda From Maine Loc: Yakima, Washington
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
... What I am trying to understand is the use of the label "Wabi-sabi in photography. Is simply the image of a half dead flower on a white background with lots of negative space or is there something more to it?
Perhaps you could ignore User ID for a few minutes? Read my comments, and R.G.'s and ctbsam's. Enlightenment will follow.

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Jan 21, 2024 12:59:08   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
Delete

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Jan 21, 2024 12:59:55   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
billnikon wrote:
Wabi Sabi


OK

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Jan 21, 2024 13:01:42   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
tcthome wrote:
I thought it was imperfection. Different, not worrying about tack sharp photos. Could be wrong.


Interesting, I never thought about it that way.

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Jan 21, 2024 13:04:59   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
jaymatt wrote:
I, too, have wondered about this wabi sabi thing. I have seen the photos, read the explanations, read the philosophicals here, and come to a decision. First, I still don't understand it. Second, I am not sure others do either. Third, I think it is a fleeting fad. Fourth, I shall ignore it henceforth. That's my take on the entire thing.


John Matthew, that is the most clear, concise statement I have ever read on UHH.

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Jan 21, 2024 13:06:37   #
Mozengrazen Loc: Ilion, NY
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
With regard to photography, what exactly is Wabi Sabi ? Is it a single image with a lot of negative space ? Is a Saki bottle on a black background Wabi Sabi or does it have to be on a white background ? It seems that a lot of us have been doing this kind of photography/post processing for a long time without ever giving it a name.


Horshradish

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Jan 21, 2024 13:10:41   #
User ID
 
Curmudgeon wrote:
Did I not provide you with the accepted definition of "taxidermy"? Please explain to me how a photograph fits into that definition. Simply changing the rules does not in any way validate your position. It insults my intelligence that you expect me to fall for such simple ruse.

Initially I quite casually assumed that the bird was alive, but youve now thoroghly convinced me that it actually is stuffed. Matters none to me, and has no effect on the photo. Just how you made it is not relevant to the image or to viewers experiences of it.

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Jan 21, 2024 13:11:13   #
JD750 Loc: SoCal
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
You're not being asked to accept any label of any particular thing.

I don't know why you thought UHH's Man Discussion section was the place to educate yourself on this subject, Jack, given that 50% or more of respondents couldn't care less. However, in addition to ctbsam's, Ed Shapiro's and R.G.'s thoughtful comments, try this idea:

"beauty can be found in the old, the everyday, the imperfect."

Minimalism is not the defining aspect of Wabi Sabi photography, although ctbsam's work showcases that unique exquisite beauty.

Other ideas for photos, from a google search:
Nothing lasts (look for crumbly things, decay, withered bits of nature)
Nothing is perfect (look for cracks, broken things, flaws)
Nothing is finished (things being made, but go beyond that and think more abstractly too – how about a book mid-read, or a car half washed, or river stones which are forever changing due to the flowing water)

And some of mine:

Clearing Fog by Linda Shorey, on Flickr

Discarded irrigation equipment by Linda Shorey, on Flickr

Dinosaurs by Linda Shorey, on Flickr

In Shadow by Linda Shorey, on Flickr

Discards by Linda Shorey, on Flickr

Weathered by Linda Shorey, on Flickr
You're not being asked to accept any label of any ... (show quote)


Your pictures explain it best.

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Jan 21, 2024 13:23:07   #
Curmudgeon Loc: SE Arizona
 
cbtsam wrote:
Perhaps my album will illustrate: https://www.flickr.com/photos/samyaffespix/albums/72157713297046548/

Some may question the "beauty" in some - or perhaps all - of these images, but they are my attempts to use the concept of wabi-sabi as I understand it.


First of all that is a beautiful set of pictures. They clearly reflect your, and many others, the concept of Wabi-sabi

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