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Jan 19, 2024 14:16:05   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
The Rules exist whether you follow them or not.

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Jan 19, 2024 14:17:31   #
Miker999
 
Every image us diffrent. I work a scene, including some close ups, therefore I may use a few diffrent compositions of the same subject. So basically, it's what looks best. It's also OK to break the "rules" and just doing that can set your images above the rest, (Be careful, it can also hurt them)

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Jan 19, 2024 14:27:58   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
If you think rules stifle your creativity, you probably don't understand the rules.

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Jan 19, 2024 14:28:52   #
mikegreenwald Loc: Illinois
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The Rules exist whether you follow them or not.


Try to explain that to the trooper that stops you for speeding

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Jan 19, 2024 14:35:42   #
CHG_CANON Loc: the Windy City
 
mikegreenwald wrote:
Try to explain that to the trooper that stops you for speeding


I believe that's the Trooper's statement to you, as they ask for license and registration ....

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Jan 19, 2024 14:40:30   #
User ID
 
JZA B1 wrote:
Square crop, rule of thirds, or something completely different?

How do you know which one to apply in any given situation? Any time-tested rules or just what looks best?

I never "compose". Therefor no rules or advices are ever involved.

I go with "looks right". I dont ever go for "looks best". "Best" is too judgemental and subjective.. "Right" is absolute. Its binary. Either it is or it isnt "right". I can produce many variants that look right.

Judging "best" does not occur while still shooting. Thaz later, at printing or sharing. And judgement of "best" is only valid for a particular moment.

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Jan 19, 2024 14:43:18   #
bwana Loc: Bergen, Alberta, Canada
 
Longshadow wrote:
I shoot full sensor, no sensor cropping. I will do that in post, but I do use the zoom for preliminary cropping as desired.
Usually the rule of thirds, depending on the subject and my feelings/desire.

Just what looks best, even if it breaks the rule(s).



"Just what looks best" is the only rule!

bwa

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Jan 19, 2024 14:57:54   #
TonyP Loc: New Zealand
 
R.G. wrote:
Different genres have different requirements when it comes to composition, so generalisations are guaranteed to miss the mark occasionally. If there was a genre called "scene capture" it would encompass the most basic aspects of what most people want when it comes to composition. Some of the possible exceptions are still life, product photography and the like.

A popular genre which has common, basic composition requirements is landscape photography, and it's common to see landscape scenes being divided into foreground, mid field and far field (or background). In landscape photography, composition is all about finding the right viewpoint (where to stand) and the right line of sight (what direction to look in). Within the camera's field of view there will be a main subject or subjects of interest or a main area of interest, and the photographer's job is to make it obvious what the main subjects or areas of interest are, regardless of whether they are in the foreground, mid field or far field. Compositionally that can be achieved by means of placement within the frame or alternatively it's possible to use various devices like leading lines or clear channels to lead the viewer's eye towards those specific subjects or areas of interest. Other factors like lighting, contrast, sharpness and colour can also be used to draw the viewer's attention but the subject here is composition.

When I have my composition hat on I look for ways to draw the viewer's attention into the shot, and very often that goes hand in hand with ways to amplify the depth aspect of the scene. Photos are a 2D rendering of a 3D reality and anything you can do to enhance the perception of depth within the photo will be a major step towards creating the idea that the viewer is perceiving a 3D reality as opposed to a 2D rendering of it. You want the viewer to forget that he/she is not actually seeing reality but a facsimile of it. I've noticed that 3D depth cues are a pronounced feature of AI-generated images. It's obviously a major aspect of the algorithms that are used to create images from scratch. Perhaps it's our turn to learn from AI instead of it learning from us.
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Great explanation of good practice
I never realised how important ones feet are, with regards to composition, until stage 4 hip arthritis reared its ugly head. I used to get at least maybe 1 keeper most days, now its rare that I'm really pleased with results. It didn't take long for me to realise I just cant be bothered moving to what might be the ideal vantage point before taking the shot. Pain can be a great motivator to not move

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Jan 19, 2024 15:09:01   #
buzzerbill
 
Very simple. What looks good? The nice thing about digital is you can try one, and then try again. Post production is a matter of refinement.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:36:08   #
MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama
 
Longshadow wrote:


Cropping in post is handy for scenes within scenes.


Ah, fodder for the larger formatters...

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Jan 19, 2024 15:41:40   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
User ID wrote:
I never "compose". Therefor no rules or advices are ever involved.

I go for "looks right". Im not gonna go for "looks best". "Best" is too judgemental and subjective.. "Right" is absolute. Its binary. Either it is or it isnt "right". I can produce many variants that look right.

Judging "best" does not occur while still shooting. Thaz later, at printing or sharing. And judgement of "best" is only valid for a particular moment.
I never "compose". Therefor no rules or ... (show quote)


I would conjecture that going for what “looks right” is exactly what exposure is. I do the same. Where I think the “rules” have some validity is for newer photographers and those with no art background. Not so much that they look through the viewfinder and think about what rules to be apply, but that they learn to look at a photo and understand what makes it “look right” so that when they’re shooting they learn to look instead of just centering the subject and snapping away.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:43:42   #
Cany143 Loc: SE Utah
 
For once (or twice, if I include the 'rule' that we respectively share with regard to the REQUIREMENT that one sprinkle grated parmesan cheese on their popcorn), I'm in agreement with User ID. (There may've been other times, too, but mentioning those might loose the red herrings of UHHville unnecessarily, and stink things up irrevocably....)

"LOOKS RIGHT". 'Plain and Simple' (for those who find themselves in the 'plain and simple' camp) or 'Order out of Chaos' (for those who subscribe to a more rationalized approach); choose either of these and if you haven't already done so, you'll begin to understand not only what composition is, more importantly you'll begin to understand the purposes and functions --and uses-- of composition writ large.

And the purposes, functions and uses of composition will never be understood until one first recognizes that the placement of elements in an image --and how those elements interact with/affect/mirror/oppose/define or even serve to negate one another should that be the composer's aim-- is precisely what makes a composition. Similarly, the purposes, functions and interactions of elements will never be understood until one first recognizes that things and objects are not merely objects and things; they're the stuff of stuff that can be ranked, have levels of importance or otherwise, of relevance and irrelevance in the ways that all things are ultimately connected, and that (to use an analogy, not knowing a better way to state it briefly) that music is not sound: music is sound AND silence that has been appropriately (i.e., RIGHTLY) placed. And as well, that color --its value, its tone-- is an element as much as a square or round or triangularly shaped 'object' is within a given space, and where and how it's placed matters, too. So to repeat, composition is how each of those elements 'relate' to one another, and that is what the basis of a composition actually is.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:44:41   #
User ID
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
The Rules exist whether you follow them or not.

The first rule of "The Rules" is to NEVVVUH talk about "The Rules". That is all.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:46:15   #
PhotoSnapper Loc: Salt Lake City, UT
 
I shoot full sensor and shoot only landscape. While I start composing based on the Rule of Thirds, I add to that my own interpretation of arranging the elements in the picture so they're balanced in the frame.

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Jan 19, 2024 15:54:27   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
CHG_CANON wrote:
Alas, that probably makes for a repeatable process that is next to impossible to teach / explain to others ...


Well, what’s teachable about is not that it’s repeatable, but that every scene needs its own exploration to find the shot. One thing I like and haven’t done in a while is to go shooting with just one prime lens. I think it’s especially a great exercise for newer photographers or if you start feeling “stale”. I love a good zoom, but it’s important to move around, looking for the shot. My club recently did a shoot with a raptor rescue group. Most of the club stood in a group and had the same mundane shots. One other guy and I were moving around, getting low, trying different angles, and we easily had the most dynamic and interesting shots.

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