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Jan 18, 2024 22:13:31   #
OwlHarbor Loc: Pacific North West USA
 
I think that a major change is coming to photography because of cell phone use. I like my Samsung Note 9 and will replace it someday and although it takes some great pics for its size it is not the same quality or versatility as my Canon APC. Regular cameras are in my view the same as carriage makers were when cars were coming out, they did about the same thing to get people around and you can still take a carriage ride in the city but it's a nostalgic blast from the past. The carriage/camera company is fighting smart cameras, we are still using glass for the lenses and the bodies are still large, maybe they need to be or not. I have several old cameras sitting in a curio, an old Kodac 120 large and miniature one (pocket), old SLRs 40ties and 50ties, and some people still use them but most do not. Your cell phone has a video chip

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Jan 18, 2024 22:38:51   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I think most photographers like to hang on to their old gear. I’ve got a couple old film cameras I don’t use anymore, but I don’t want to get rid of them. Too many memories attached, I guess. I’ve had every iPhone since the iPhone 4 except the iPhone 10. Right now I have the iPhone 13 Pro Max. I decided to skip the 14 and 15 and am waiting to see what the iPHone 16 Pro Max has to offer. It’s hard to find a smartphone camera that takes poor images and the big difference, I think, lies in the features each has. I look at the photos joer from Chicago posts with his Sony smartphone and I’m seriously impressed. I think there’s a sort of general feeling that “cellphone” really refers to the iPhone, and that’s just not true. I’d likely have a Samsung phone except everything I have are Apple devices. This is a productive discussion.

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Jan 18, 2024 23:27:46   #
JBuckley
 
Cell phone users (and investors) are serious about their phones.
Today I, in an advertisement, I received an announcement regarding a guy that is selling a clip-on telephoto lens for Smart Phones that increases the capability of a phone by 200 power, without loss of focus or other built in abilities of the original phone.
(Discounted to $49. Per unit)
I must say, it’s tempting me……

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Jan 18, 2024 23:48:52   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
I’d be wary, with those claims and low price. But then, you never know.

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Jan 18, 2024 23:49:48   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
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Jan 18, 2024 23:53:31   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
you need to smile

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Jan 18, 2024 23:56:09   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
That’s a photo from a Nikon D3100, not a cellphone. Looks like the hood ornament on a car hood.

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Jan 19, 2024 00:03:26   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
no cell phone or plastic credit

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Jan 19, 2024 00:04:09   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
never needed either

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Jan 19, 2024 01:18:28   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
User ID wrote:
Try as I might, I cannot in the least imagine your possible "elevator pitch" ... but Im asking you to post it ... cuz your long diatribe (??) is impenatrable and indecipherable, but it seems obvious that you care about some something.

What little I "understand" so far is that you use various "old clunkers" and sometimes get satisfactory results. Surely there is more to that long post than that minimal bit of non-news ?


Well, I expect it is non-typical to receive a request for a follow-up after the intro has been botched with an impenetrable and indeciferable diatribe.......but then I expect you and I are each a little bit non-typical. So, I'll stir around the pot here and see if I can come up with a couple bones that have been simmered free of the savory meat.

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The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an irritating thing to resort to in an emergency may be a serious impediment to devoting time to learn, familiarize and use the capable range of that camera for real, non-casual photos in non-emergency practice sessions....thusly, winding up ill-prepared to fully make use of it when an emergency arises.

The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an intruder and usurper trying only to supplant bigger gear, may be like maintaining the stance I have no need for a lawn mower because I have a Lear jet.....Toro?....HA! I've got a Lear!

The attitude that a camera with phone capability doesn't deserve quality time in practice and proficiency pursuit may be like thinking I don't need to know much about being familiar with operating and maintaining that stinkin' Toro, I've got a Lear jet.

The attitude that the form factor of a camera with phone capability is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it is different than that of an interchageable lens camera, may be like maintaining the stance that the form factor of that stinkin' Toro is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it isn't like the form factor of the Lear jet.

The attitude that I have to get the latest generation of the most expensive camera with phone capability because my pictures may not be as good as Whizzbang Jones is gonna get with his newest acquisition, may be like thinking I have to go get a Husqvarna lawn mower because the dull, nicked, out-of-balance blade on my stinkin' old Toro doesn't cut as well as that sharp blade on Whizzbang Jones' shiny new Husqvarna mower.

The attitude that I have to go get the latest, fanciest camera with phone capability because it is always gonna give me pictures as good as what I get from my ILC, may be like maintaining I gotta go get that new Husqvarna mower now because it mows the lawn better than the Lear jet does.....and besides I haven't been able to operate that new Lear as well as I'm sure I can operate that new Husqvarna.

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There are more bones down here in the pot, but I've got quite a pile of savory meat over here in this bowl now, an' it's callin' to me......it's sayin' just leavin' it sittin' out in the bowl like that may be like refusin' to stir in some of those boiled, simmered veggies, add a little more seasonings, and then givin' it some attitude that McDonalds take out is even in the same league.

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Jan 19, 2024 02:22:56   #
Wingpilot Loc: Wasilla. Ak
 
dustie wrote:
Well, I expect it is non-typical to receive a request for a follow-up after the intro has been botched with an impenetrable and indeciferable diatribe.......but then I expect you and I are each a little bit non-typical. So, I'll stir around the pot here and see if I can come up with a couple bones that have been simmered free of the savory meat.

**********************
The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an irritating thing to resort to in an emergency may be a serious impediment to devoting time to learn, familiarize and use the capable range of that camera for real, non-casual photos in non-emergency practice sessions....thusly, winding up ill-prepared to fully make use of it when an emergency arises.

The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an intruder and usurper trying only to supplant bigger gear, may be like maintaining the stance I have no need for a lawn mower because I have a Lear jet.....Toro?....HA! I've got a Lear!

The attitude that a camera with phone capability doesn't deserve quality time in practice and proficiency pursuit may be like thinking I don't need to know much about being familiar with operating and maintaining that stinkin' Toro, I've got a Lear jet.

The attitude that the form factor of a camera with phone capability is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it is different than that of an interchageable lens camera, may be like maintaining the stance that the form factor of that stinkin' Toro is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it isn't like the form factor of the Lear jet.

The attitude that I have to get the latest generation of the most expensive camera with phone capability because my pictures may not be as good as Whizzbang Jones is gonna get with his newest acquisition, may be like thinking I have to go get a Husqvarna lawn mower because the dull, nicked, out-of-balance blade on my stinkin' old Toro doesn't cut as well as that sharp blade on Whizzbang Jones' shiny new Husqvarna mower.

The attitude that I have to go get the latest, fanciest camera with phone capability because it is always gonna give me pictures as good as what I get from my ILC, may be like maintaining I gotta go get that new Husqvarna mower now because it mows the lawn better than the Lear jet does.....and besides I haven't been able to operate that new Lear as well as I'm sure I can operate that new Husqvarna.

*************

There are more bones down here in the pot, but I've got quite a pile of savory meat over here in this bowl now, an' it's callin' to me......it's sayin' just leavin' it sittin' out in the bowl like that may be like refusin' to stir in some of those boiled, simmered veggies, add a little more seasonings, and then givin' it some attitude that McDonalds take out is even in the same league.
Well, I expect it is non-typical to receive a requ... (show quote)


I believe, Sir, that you have hit a note with a bit of truth and a kernel of humor to go along with it. Well said, my friend.

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Jan 19, 2024 05:16:56   #
cmc4214 Loc: S.W. Pennsylvania
 
dustie wrote:
First off, this comment is in no way intended to be confrontational nor
belligerant, even though it is entirely possible some will choose to misconstrue it
as being so.

Some of the included pics were done by a secondhand (or is it third-, fourth-, or
fifthhand? I have no idea) DSLR, the others were done by a camera that includes
phone capability. Which are which?
None of the equipment is newer than nine or ten years old. Not including the
cost of memory cards, the total funds tied up in the digital picture taking devices
are significantly south of $850.00 U.S. None of the picture taking devices have
sensors with pixel counts that will satisfy the demands of pixel-peeping gurus.

There are two cameras with phone functions. Each has only one lens, not
multiples. Each has manufacturer-set automatic settings operations.

One of the cameras with phone capability will allow the operator to set white
balance, ISO, +2 - -2 exposure compensation, shutter speed from 1/2000 - 1/2
second, choose dng and jpeg output, and, with careful difficulty, manual focus.
The other will allow the operator to select a focus area within the frame, and has
a slider which allows imprecise adjustment of exposure, though there is no
indication if it is shutter speed, ISO or what is being changed by that slider; it
produces only jpeg output.

Neither of the cameras with phone capability has image stabilization
technology. If I do not have a tripod with phone clamp attachment along, I
steady the camera on a rock, or stump, or tree branch, or fence post, or log, or
fuel can, or jerry rig, or tool handle, or a wish and a prayer.

The cameras with phone capability have not been regarded as an unfortunate
make-do, since the time a photographer with over four decades professional
experience counseled me to learn all I could about picture taking while using the
camera with phone capability, since at the time it was the only picture taking
method I had available.

Each of the three picture taking instruments has selectable scene modes. I've
never tried any of them.

Perceivable differences in the pics:
-- are those the results of differences in the picture taking apparatus format in
use, pitting outdated, never above bottom mid-level mirrorless fixed lens, fixed
aperture cameras against an outdated once-okay/so-so, never above bottom-
rated DSLR?
-- are those due to the fact the hillbilly, untrained picture taker has maaaaybe 40 weeks
total accumulated time in digital photography and post-camera
processing, spread out over the past 5 years, or so? Would 45, 50, 60 years
experience and hours of training be enough to transform the bumbling, dorky
hillbilly into a real photographer who could step into a scene and instantly know
what the optimum camera settings and perspective and compositional
imperatives for that particular scene are? Would newest tech and more
expensive doodads instantly elevate the bumbling, dorky hillbilly's pic results
into an equally elevated class of worth above the present knowledge and experience level? Or, would there only be a continuation of mediocre results
backed by more time spent and a higher stage of technolgy acquired through
the expenditure of many months' or years' worth of hard-earned moolah which
should have been put to better use?

In a reply to me in another thread earlier today, hawgster 'burkphoto' very nicely
put into words something that seems to be a part of the push and pull inside me
that makes me wish for more available time and greater experience in this
photography interest:
•• "I'm interested in getting results. I'm interested in seeing results. I'm okay with
how you got your image, if it moves me or communicates with me, and your
methods weren't illegal, unethical, immoral, or fattening." ('burkphoto' quote) ••

(Shameful apologies to the offended, venerated, experienced, advanced,
equipped, distinguished, elevated folk who are sadly forced to endure such an
underwhelming, little kids table post amongst the exclusively desired, never-
less-than worthwhile, estimable Big Boy posts in the Main Photography
Discussion section.)
First off, this comment is in no way intended to b... (show quote)


Firs of all, the screen will not show the shortcomings of the pictures you posted, second you didn't even select "store original" so we could view them full size.

When printing pictures the "shortcomings" will be much more obvious.
Like your post, this may seem confrontational to some, though that is not my intention either. If your happy, go for it.

I don't care what you use to take photos, though I hate using a phone to take pictures, I'm just not comfortable holding the camera out in front of me when taking a photo...Just doesn't "feel" right. I don't use the lcd on the camera either (unless shooting at a very low, or very high angle where I can't see the viewfinder).

You do as you please

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Jan 19, 2024 05:48:42   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
dustie wrote:
Well, I expect it is non-typical to receive a request for a follow-up after the intro has been botched with an impenetrable and indeciferable diatribe.......but then I expect you and I are each a little bit non-typical. So, I'll stir around the pot here and see if I can come up with a couple bones that have been simmered free of the savory meat.

**********************
The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an irritating thing to resort to in an emergency may be a serious impediment to devoting time to learn, familiarize and use the capable range of that camera for real, non-casual photos in non-emergency practice sessions....thusly, winding up ill-prepared to fully make use of it when an emergency arises.

The attitude that a camera with phone capability is just an intruder and usurper trying only to supplant bigger gear, may be like maintaining the stance I have no need for a lawn mower because I have a Lear jet.....Toro?....HA! I've got a Lear!

The attitude that a camera with phone capability doesn't deserve quality time in practice and proficiency pursuit may be like thinking I don't need to know much about being familiar with operating and maintaining that stinkin' Toro, I've got a Lear jet.

The attitude that the form factor of a camera with phone capability is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it is different than that of an interchageable lens camera, may be like maintaining the stance that the form factor of that stinkin' Toro is unbearably, unsuitably retarded because it isn't like the form factor of the Lear jet.

The attitude that I have to get the latest generation of the most expensive camera with phone capability because my pictures may not be as good as Whizzbang Jones is gonna get with his newest acquisition, may be like thinking I have to go get a Husqvarna lawn mower because the dull, nicked, out-of-balance blade on my stinkin' old Toro doesn't cut as well as that sharp blade on Whizzbang Jones' shiny new Husqvarna mower.

The attitude that I have to go get the latest, fanciest camera with phone capability because it is always gonna give me pictures as good as what I get from my ILC, may be like maintaining I gotta go get that new Husqvarna mower now because it mows the lawn better than the Lear jet does.....and besides I haven't been able to operate that new Lear as well as I'm sure I can operate that new Husqvarna.

*************

There are more bones down here in the pot, but I've got quite a pile of savory meat over here in this bowl now, an' it's callin' to me......it's sayin' just leavin' it sittin' out in the bowl like that may be like refusin' to stir in some of those boiled, simmered veggies, add a little more seasonings, and then givin' it some attitude that McDonalds take out is even in the same league.
Well, I expect it is non-typical to receive a requ... (show quote)


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Jan 19, 2024 05:49:32   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
cmc4214 wrote:
Firs of all, the screen will not show the shortcomings of the pictures you posted, second you didn't even select "store original" so we could view them full size.

When printing pictures the "shortcomings" will be much more obvious.
Like your post, this may seem confrontational to some, though that is not my intention either. If your happy, go for it.

I don't care what you use to take photos, though I hate using a phone to take pictures, I'm just not comfortable holding the camera out in front of me when taking a photo...Just doesn't "feel" right. I don't use the lcd on the camera either (unless shooting at a very low, or very high angle where I can't see the viewfinder).

You do as you please
Firs of all, the screen will not show the shortcom... (show quote)


So sorry you were forced to be subjected to that horrendous hillbilly hoohah from the wrong side of the fence.

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Jan 19, 2024 05:50:46   #
William Loc: Mississippi
 
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