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Steak &b Shake--Never Again!
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Dec 13, 2023 15:47:11   #
hoosier500
 
After Biglari Holdings acquired Steak & Shake, it has never been the same. Now with the kiosk order system that's being instituted to cut labor costs, they aren't addressing their biggest problem: quality of the food.

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Dec 14, 2023 13:40:04   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
jaymatt wrote:
Last night after an outing to see Christmas lights, we stopped at Steak & Shake. At the "new" versions of the restaurants, over half the menu is gone, one must order from a kiosk, no waiters, no condiments on the tables, only three employees, dirty tables, etc.

Note to self: Never, ever eat at Steak & Shake again. It used to be one of my favorite so-called fast food places to eat. Quote the raven, nevermore (apologies to E.A.Poe).


Might not be a bad idea to go to all robots?

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Dec 15, 2023 07:49:50   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
One Rude Dawg wrote:
Might not be a bad idea to go to all robots?


Some of you might remember the Automat in Manhattan, NY. I loved those places as a kid.



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Dec 15, 2023 10:11:03   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
Horn and Hardart in Philly. I remember when Dad took me there to see one of the wonders of technology of the day

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Dec 15, 2023 12:46:44   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Anything to cut down on the staff.


True, but what they are actually doing is maintaining their profit margins without increasing prices. FYI, "profit" is not a dirty word. It is a necessary component of the free market system.

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Dec 15, 2023 12:50:04   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
jerryc41 wrote:
People complain about things like that and the DIY cash registers in stores.


Self-checkouts are on the way out. There won't be any in a few years. Good thing, if you ask me. When one of the store employees invites me to use the self-checkout I always ask if I will get an employee discount. The answer is invariably "no" or an embarrassed silence so I go directly to a full service register.

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Dec 15, 2023 12:51:27   #
One Rude Dawg Loc: Athol, ID
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Some of you might remember the Automat in Manhattan, NY. I loved those places as a kid.


Yep, been there done that, long long ago.

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Dec 15, 2023 13:35:48   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
stanikon wrote:
Self-checkouts are on the way out. There won't be any in a few years. Good thing, if you ask me. When one of the store employees invites me to use the self-checkout I always ask if I will get an employee discount. The answer is invariably "no" or an embarrassed silence so I go directly to a full service register.


The DIY check outs are a win/win situation. It saves the store money and replaces a scarce commodity(labor) and it also saves most of the customers quite a bit time checking out for themselves. If everything I'm buying has a UPC code, I head for the DIY check out every time. Some stores have apps that you can check out as you shop and just have the cashier scan your phone when you leave.

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Dec 15, 2023 13:42:38   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
The DIY check outs are a win/win situation. It saves the store money and replaces a scarce commodity(labor) and it also saves most of the customers quite a bit time checking out for themselves. If everything I'm buying has a UPC code, I head for the DIY check out every time. Some stores have apps that you can check out as you shop and just have the cashier scan your phone when you leave.


If you like them, more power to you. I think of them as a device to shift the labor cost from the store to the customer and I don't like that. I also don't like the fact that they are putting people out of work at a time when no one needs that. I don't believe labor is a scarce commodity. Pay a fair wage for the time and effort expended and you have all the labor you need.

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Dec 15, 2023 15:35:00   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
I see them less and less. One article said that stores were losing more money than paying people. This was because of the high rate of incidents of cheating, which is much easier to do

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Dec 15, 2023 16:25:44   #
JustJill Loc: Iowa
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Some of you might remember the Automat in Manhattan, NY. I loved those places as a kid.


I read a book on the Automat. It was very interesting.

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Dec 15, 2023 16:53:45   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
JustJill wrote:
I read a book on the Automat. It was very interesting.


I also read a book on the Automat. It was very self-serving.

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Dec 15, 2023 18:44:50   #
RodeoMan Loc: St Joseph, Missouri
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Some of you might remember the Automat in Manhattan, NY. I loved those places as a kid.


I saw an interesting television show about these stores. I also see where H & H Coffee is being marketed again.

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Dec 15, 2023 20:24:30   #
Reuss Griffiths Loc: Ravenna, Ohio
 
stanikon wrote:
If you like them, more power to you. I think of them as a device to shift the labor cost from the store to the customer and I don't like that. I also don't like the fact that they are putting people out of work at a time when no one needs that. I don't believe labor is a scarce commodity. Pay a fair wage for the time and effort expended and you have all the labor you need.


I believe the reason that stores are using the DIY checkouts is because they are using whatever technology they can to be able to provide products and services without raising prices in spite of today's 8% inflation rate. Labor is a scarce commodity because the work force is smaller today than it was 5 years ago even though the population continues to increase. Part of that is that part of the work force is going off the books and working for themselves via cash and barter. Add to this that some people choose to not work and rely on government-provided benefits like welfare, medicaid, food stamps, unemployment insurance. Many companies are finding that even when they offer fair wages and benefits, they cannot fill all their openings. There are more job openings today than during the last administration when the economy was booming.

You have a choice of using either a live cashier or the DIY so the store is not transferring labor cost to you. I think that DIY is a win/win because it is a lot faster to check out using that system as opposed a live cashier. I use it for that reason. If I have a lot to check out with produce that requires looking items up in their system, I go to the cashiers. Some stores are offering cell phone apps to scan items when you purchase the and avoid the check out entirely. Technology benefits both that saves money for the business and is more convenient for the customer and faster too.

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Dec 15, 2023 20:50:13   #
stanikon Loc: Deep in the Heart of Texas
 
Reuss Griffiths wrote:
You have a choice of using either a live cashier or the DIY so the store is not transferring labor cost to you.


I have several differences with your point of view but not worth pursuing here. One point that is, I think, significant is that just because the customer has a choice does not mean that labor cost is not being transferred. If the customers were coerced into using self-checkout would that make a difference?

For every customer who uses self-checkout, whether voluntary or involuntary, there is a transfer of labor cost from the store to the customer.

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