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Dec 6, 2023 10:08:40   #
alexol
 
And another point, after a lifetime in business mostly from the providing side rather than the consuming side, there is a golden rule to be followed if you want to increase membership: Focus - hah! - on the customer and the customers needs and wants.

Start with the gratification of producing a great final image, THEN help people get there.

Accept that most people will start out with a phone and interest may or may not bloom.

Here, we always want to start talking about f-stops and ISO and focal length. Boring. Necessary, eventually, but boring.

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Dec 6, 2023 10:09:06   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
Many younger people aren't interested in the minute details which many here are obsessed.

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Dec 6, 2023 10:18:18   #
Wallen Loc: Middle Earth
 
cmc4214 wrote:
Most clubs (of any kind) seem to have an attitude that new members need to prove themselves worthy to be in the club. Here on UHH many older members put down people for asking questions, some even try to make others sound stupid for asking those questions...NOT a good way to attract new members.
Not knowing something does not make one stupid.
For example:
"That has already been discussed here ad nauseum"
Why does it matter how many times a question has already been asked? If you can help, please do, if not, just move on.
Nobody likes to be treated like that, especially young people.
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Dec 6, 2023 10:25:01   #
joer Loc: Colorado/Illinois
 
Blenheim Orange wrote:
Do you think it is possible to attract younger members to UHH? Or is that a hopeless cause? What would it take?


Perhaps a few, but most will be attracted to TikTok, Facebook, Twitter...or whatever comes over horizon.

They are not into gear, for the obvious reasons, and luddites stuck in old methods and media. The world has moved on...its the way it has always been. Get accustomed to it, if you can.

My next birthday is just around the corner, I'll be 77. I like the smartphone forum more and more these days. Its just a matter of time and my only camera will be a phone camera. Yes they have shortcomings but each new iteration gets better.

I'm on Facebook and although most of the posts are just nonsense it is entertaining and a convenient way to communicate with like minded people.

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Dec 6, 2023 10:32:18   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
larryepage wrote:
No.

They would not tolerate the clad in stone attitudes here for more than maybe two minutes.

However...there are many young people intetested in photography and interested in doing it right. I am working with a number of them. But you are going to have to go to them and work on their terms. They are legitimately interested in photography, but they don't care much about the attitudes and rigidity of old people. They are not interested in our forums, and they are not interested in our clubs. And if treated the way members here treat each other, they'll be gone in a minute.
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Dec 6, 2023 10:34:30   #
whatdat Loc: Del Valle, Tx.
 
jerryc41 wrote:
Curmudgeon is right. Many online forums have members who are "not young." I watched a video that a YouTuber posted about a trip to a train show - lots of old men. I used to go to the motorcycle show in NYC, and there were lots of old men there, too, although the younger crowd was well represented.

Come to think of it, every group I've belonged to has consisted of "mature" members.

We could take a survey of the ages of our members. I'm 79.


79,turning 80 at end of month. Good gosh; how did that happen???

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Dec 6, 2023 10:34:37   #
47greyfox Loc: on the edge of the Colorado front range
 
MtManMD wrote:
I think I am one of the youngest at 67 that's posted so far. I'm a member of several specific groups (Canon R5, R7, and 100-500mm groups) on Facebook. The posters there seem much younger. You can tell by the questions and the tone of the questions and comments. I find the comments there more specific and helpful in general. It is rare that comments deviate from the starting thread. And best of all, in those groups I never have to listen to all the Nikon and Sony noise!
I think I am one of the youngest at 67 that's post... (show quote)


I’ll be 77 less than a month from now. Yeah, I’m a lifelong victim of combining Christmas and birthday gifts, but I’ve digressed. I’m also a member of some of the same Facebook groups. None have a lot of posts IMHO, I’m still encouraged by the range of topics, which show a genuine interest and curiosity in the hobby that come from younger users (I think). As for UHH, as long as I’ve been visiting it has been a unique place for us older users come to play, learn, and occasionally share our opinions.

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Dec 6, 2023 10:41:31   #
Picture Taker Loc: Michigan Thumb
 
We can learn if we want. Some of us slower than other. Looking for help may be part of it. Find a club ask some one you see holding a camera. Look on line.
AS US ON THIS BLOG!

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Dec 6, 2023 10:50:19   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
W9OD wrote:
I have a daughter and daughter-in-law that both have nice cameras one a Sony, the other a Canon. They use their iPhones. Talking about cotton tops, I am a ham radio operator, the meetings I go to, all you see is a sea of grey.


I too am a Ham operator. Our club is thriving and has many young members.

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Dec 6, 2023 10:50:50   #
terryMc Loc: Arizona's White Mountains
 
Linda From Maine wrote:
There are quite a few people posting photos to UHH that were shot with smart phones (there's even a smart phone section), just as there are people posting highly edited images, abstracts, focus-stacked macros, and other non-documentary styles.

You have three major, unrelated divisions of UHH. The niche areas have value as inspiration and education, even if to just a few, Gallery is a popular social sharing site, and the purpose of main "discussion" appears to be something other than learning/teaching photography: some days nostalgia, some days whining, and every day a playground for trolls and big egos

Those who spend most of their time in main "discussion" are unlikely to experience an epiphany when asked, "What's wrong with us?"
There are quite a few people posting photos to UHH... (show quote)



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Dec 6, 2023 11:06:34   #
burkphoto Loc: High Point, NC
 
RodeoMan wrote:
Leading with an insult (...."Photography requires hard work and dedication. Those are traits not often associated with our younger generations.") is not a good start if we want to attract younger members to our hobby/profession. Perhaps they work hard at what they find interesting or have found other ways to meaure self worth, rather than how much of their nose skin they leave on the grindstone.




Young people process information very differently from us Boomers. That's not necessarily better or worse. Better or worse depends upon the circumstance. When they find something they can do, want to do, and do well, AND that society values, they succeed with flying colors.

Photography isn't necessarily valued the way it was before the digital age came to be. As I said earlier, in a different way, photography is seldom practiced in isolation from other media now. It is "in the mix," but it is not THE mix.

I'm very glad to see that, as I've been a writer/photographer/narrator/editor/mixed media producer of sorts all my life. In the 1980s, I used all those skills to produce corporate multi-image slide shows, videos, training cassettes, manuals... And in eight other roles after that, I used those same skills when they made sense to support my work.

The convergence of virtually all media into the computer, the tablet, and the smartphone, plus the interconnectivity of all screens and keyboards, means those who have grown up in the 21st Century use them all, by assumption. Media — for better AND worse — have become the landscape of many people's daily environment.

This became very clear to me when I lived through the development of it at a photo lab that was in a complete state of analog to digital transition from 1994 to 2011.

I recently saw an award-winning short video based on the work of teenage musicians. In illustrating the title track of their first album, the video makes us think about all the media convergence, and about how that has been used to manipulate us in not-so-obvious ways. https://vimeo.com/210374020

Those teens are now successful rock stars, touring the world. They have used every digital tool in the arsenal to build and stay connected to a huge fan base through social media. Still photography and video are important pieces of it.

Many of us grew up with photography as an isolated hobby. The end product was a print on the wall or in an album, or a projected slide. Very few images are good enough to stand alone. Most require some context or narrative to give them meaning. That is what the smartphone, tablet, and computer allow us to do so well. The implication of the fact that we can hit send and broadcast our thoughts and images instantly, everywhere, is still being processed.

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Dec 6, 2023 11:08:42   #
alexol
 
burkphoto wrote:


Young people process information very differently from us Boomers. That's not necessarily better or worse. Better or worse depends upon the circumstance. When they find something they can do, want to do, and do well, AND that society values, they succeed with flying colors.

Photography isn't necessarily valued the way it was before the digital age came to be. As I said earlier, in a different way, photography is seldom practiced in isolation from other media now. It is "in the mix," but it is not THE mix....

....I'm our thoughts and images instantly, everywhere, is still being processed.
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Dec 6, 2023 11:15:20   #
Mr Mike W
 
I am 77 and thankful for our dslr and mirrorless cameras. There is some hope in that my daughter just accepted my old Nikon D-300. Once she gets used to back button focus, I’m sure she will use it.

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Dec 6, 2023 11:18:53   #
Carl S
 
I have a fourteen year old granddaughter who has become very interested in photography, and she has been the beneficiary of some of my older equipment, essentially a Nikon D-7100 along with assorted lenses. I would think if there were a special section for cell phone photography, it might attract some of the younger crowd as well as some of us oldsters. I'm a young eighty-two year old,but what do I know?

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Dec 6, 2023 11:25:07   #
larryepage Loc: North Texas area
 
Mr Mike W wrote:
I am 77 and thankful for our dslr and mirrorless cameras. There is some hope in that my daughter just accepted my old Nikon D-300. Once she gets used to back button focus, I’m sure she will use it.


So...did you explain to her that there is an alternative to BBF? Did you offer to restore the camera to the factory standard mode of operation? My wife would throw a BBF camera into the trash. No telling what my niece would do with it before she threw it into the trash. Neither of them photographs anything which makes BBF required or beneficial.

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