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Dec 4, 2023 01:58:56   #
rcarol
 
Toment wrote:
Why is it so bad? Because it’s windows…


I don’t understand. To all of you that are bad mouthing Windows, why in the hell don’t you switch to a Mac?

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Dec 4, 2023 07:00:55   #
Longshadow Loc: Audubon, PA, United States
 
rcarol wrote:
I don’t understand. To all of you that are bad mouthing Windows, why in the hell don’t you switch to a Mac?


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Dec 4, 2023 09:24:45   #
gouldopfl
 
In 2024 there will be a standalone version of Office 2024 that will be free.

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Dec 4, 2023 09:39:59   #
DebAnn Loc: Toronto
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.

*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)


I've been using Windows 11 for a long time and am not experiencing your problems. Perhaps it is you who is at fault! Try getting some sound instruction on the issues.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:16:53   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
rcarol wrote:
I don’t understand. To all of you that are bad mouthing Windows, why in the hell don’t you switch to a Mac?


Mostly because we're not babies that need our hands held ;-)

My advice to most people who don't like Windows - use Linux, and you'll be saying "where have you been all my life?"

Personally, I use Windows for work (company-specified), but I use mostly Linux for home.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:18:22   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
Harry02 wrote:
There is an app called "Tron" that I use to clean Windows 10 & 11 from krap.
I am still partial to a modded Windows; 8.1 but it doesn't look like Windows much anymore.
Tho Linux Mint is my usual Goto. Works on everything!


I used PC Decrapifier and ninite before, but thanks for the tip - I'll check it out.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:21:37   #
davelissa Loc: Houston
 
therwol wrote:
I believe that Office 2007 was the last that didn't "call home" and clue Microsoft in on the number of times you installed it on different hardware. This may not apply to all versions, but it's true of an academic version my wife got. It was also the first to use the new file formats, .docx etc. I used office 97 and 2003 before moving on, and the file format converter that allowed opening and working on the new files had some issues with formatting, not all of the time, but just often enough to annoy me.
I believe that Office 2007 was the last that didn'... (show quote)


Just a FYI - I think it's Office 2010 that started using .docx, etc. I have a client that still uses 2007 and the old format, and they're happy with it. In general, it works fine under Windows 11, except they have to disable indexing of Outlook for searches to work correctly.

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Dec 4, 2023 15:35:39   #
rcarol
 
davelissa wrote:
Mostly because we're not babies that need our hands held ;-)

My advice to most people who don't like Windows - use Linux, and you'll be saying "where have you been all my life?"

Personally, I use Windows for work (company-specified), but I use mostly Linux for home.

I don’t think that Photoshop and Lightroom run very well under Linux.

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Dec 4, 2023 17:31:16   #
tgreenhaw
 
jlg1000 wrote:
All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.


I started using Linux in late 1993 and still use Linux. That said, I can't recommend it for non-it professionals as every system ultimately ends up being a one off that only a few can support. This is opposed to Windows and Mac with some modicum of standardization that have hordes of people that can support it.

There is no doubt that Microsoft is trying to force everyone into its idea of moving to its version of the cloud, i.e. things like Onedrive and Azure. I certainly won't defend default settings in Windows 11 for Onedrive, or the unnecessary reworking of a U/I that people have become accustomed to. That said, once you get used to it, Windows 11 does get the job done.

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Dec 4, 2023 18:09:34   #
therwol Loc: USA
 
davelissa wrote:
Just a FYI - I think it's Office 2010 that started using .docx, etc.


No. It was 2007. Files can still be saved in the old formats, and 2007 forward can deal with the old formats.

https://www.pcworld.com/article/455966/answer-line-old-vs-new-microsoft-office-file-formats.html#:~:text=With%20Office%202007%2C%20Microsoft%20introduced,Word%2C%20Excel%2C%20and%20PowerPoint.

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Dec 5, 2023 00:19:30   #
Harry02 Loc: Gardena, CA
 
rcarol wrote:
I don’t think that Photoshop and Lightroom run very well under Linux.

https://www.mangladatech.com/2020/07/how-to-install-photoshop-cc-on-ubuntu.html

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Dec 5, 2023 07:01:57   #
editorsteve
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.

*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)


I keep my onedrive, filled, at the minimum 5 GB because the greedy pigs at Microsoft turn it back on whenever it sends a security update.

I deal with lots of.secure medical files and my security system detests OneDrive. If I worked in a collaborative office environment, I could tolerate this nonsense. As it stands, I have nothing but contempt for MicroGrift.

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Dec 5, 2023 07:24:34   #
rcarol
 
Harry02 wrote:
https://www.mangladatech.com/2020/07/how-to-install-photoshop-cc-on-ubuntu.html


This is not for the novice.

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Dec 5, 2023 07:46:57   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
jlg1000 wrote:
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back to a motherboard failure, I decided to upgrade my main computer.

So I purchased a brand new i9-13900K CPU, a good Gigabyte B760 motherboard, a couple of 2TG SSD's, a couple of 40TB HDD's , a 4090 GPU, 128 GB DDR5 RAM and 1 KW PSU for good measure.

Because of the amount of purchase, my supplier tossed in a Windows 11 license for free.

Reluctant, after building my system and playing around with that pesky Windows 11 sticker, I decided to give it a try.

What a rubbish!

Bad, really bad user interface if you need many programs for work. No way to organize, change, customize, no nothing. I had to purchase "Start11" ap to make it almost as usable as Windows 10.

It does nasty things to the files. Without asking: for example: I copied all my photos and videos to the E: drive (the 40 TB's HDD's configured as RAID) ... the next morning I had a "no sapce left on drive" error on the C: drive. What had happened? Windows decided that photos should be backed up in OneDrive, so it moved everything to C:\Users \<my_user>\Onedrive\Pictures **without asking **

As I tried to move them back, Windows 11 refused with a stupid error message stating that it was an amovible linkl included. ** I HAD TO MANUALLY SHUT DOWN ONE DRIVE, AND PERFORM A REGISTRY TRICK TO BRING ALL THE FILES BACK TO WHERE THEY BELONG**

After that, Windows complained that there was a Backup error, every time I accessed the folder. So I killed OneDrive altogether and deleted it from disk (after another PoweShell+Registry hack)

Windows 11 came with Copilot installed and activated (It's a MS rebranding of ChatGPT ), so I asked this question to the bot: "Why is Windows 11 so bad?"

And this was it sincere answer:

Windows 11 is the latest operating system from Microsoft, released on October 5, 2021. It has been praised for its clean design and improved performance, but it has also received a lot of criticism from users who are unhappy with some of its features and limitations. Some of the reasons why Windows 11 is so bad are:

High hardware requirements: Windows 11 demands some minimum hardware requirements that many current computers do not meet, such as a 64-bit processor with at least two cores and 1 GHz of frequency, 4 GB of RAM, 64 GB of storage space, a graphics card compatible with DirectX 12 and a TPM 2.0 security module. These requirements exclude many old or low-end devices that work perfectly with Windows 10, and force users to buy a new PC or stick with the previous system12.
Performance and compatibility issues: Windows 11 has arrived with several bugs and errors that affect the performance and compatibility of the devices that install it. For example, a performance loss has been detected in AMD Ryzen processors, which is due to a problem with the power plan of Windows 112. There have also been problems with printers, which stop working or give errors when printing2. In addition, some applications and games do not work properly or simply do not run on Windows 11, such as some Android emulators3.
Changes in the interface and functions: Windows 11 has introduced some changes in the interface and functions that nobody asked for and that make the user experience worse. For example, the taskbar is less customizable and functional, the context menus are inconsistent and cluttered, the default apps settings are complicated and tedious, and the Microsoft account is mandatory to use the system124.
These are some of the main complaints that users have about Windows 11. However, there may be more issues that have not been discovered or reported yet. Windows 11 is still a new and unfinished system, and it may improve over time with updates and fixes. However, for now, many users prefer to stay with Windows 10 or look for alternatives.

*** BOTTOM LINE ***

For or those folks which are asking about upgrading to Windows 11, ** DO NOT DARE TO **

Beware, I found many more problems as the one described above.

End of the experiment. I'll be throwing Windows 11 away... together with Windows 95, Vista and Windows 8.

All in all I'm a Linux sysadmin and developer, I don't need to go through this s**t.
After a heavy computer crash, which I traced back ... (show quote)


"...clean design..." isn't always what users want. Remember DOS? That had a clean design - a black screen with a blinking cursor.

I'm postponing Win11 as long as I can.

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Dec 5, 2023 07:56:33   #
BebuLamar
 
jerryc41 wrote:
"...clean design..." isn't always what users want. Remember DOS? That had a clean design - a black screen with a blinking cursor.

I'm postponing Win11 as long as I can.


I do remember DOS. I only have 1 laptop that can run Windows 11. When MS stops supporting Windows 10 I will have to buy new computer. Perhaps one that is made in 2022.

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