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Nov 22, 2023 14:20:48   #
Polock
 
i can see the big tree and a smaller one to the right through the red deer. so no reflection involved, makes this a double exposure.
are the file names in order, file sizes right ?

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Nov 22, 2023 14:43:16   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
dustie wrote:
-- The sizes are too disproportionate for both figures to be actual animals photo'd at the same time, unless the red one farther back is an Amazon plus sized specimen.

-- The color saturations of the red figure do not seem consistent with an illuminated animal. More like a projected light/shadow pattern in vegetation, that is somehow shaped that way, and seen by the camera in that hue.

-- Animals illuminated by infrared lighting recorded by my trail cam do not show in the images as red figures. They are seen as white and shades of gray. Likewise with other infrared trail cam photos I have seen.
Neither the coloring on the buck nor the area in question farther back, are like that in typical infrared trail cam photos I've seen before.

From just this one image, I'm inclined to think lighting/shadows combined to cause a pattern the camera recorded this way. In person, the human eye may not even pick up on the pattern the way the camera lens/sensor/processor detected and recorded it.

None of my previous points are still valid, probably, if there is some type of double exposure of something that involves a change to focal length or camera-to-subject distance.
-- The sizes are too disproportionate for both fig... (show quote)


It’s interesting that you mention ‘projected light/shadow pattern in vegetation. That area is a wetland or somewhat swampy area with lots of vegetation. The neighbors did not think a real deer would go back there. Thus the idea of an image projecting thru the vegetation seemed interesting. Especially since the red deer does appear to have vegetation on its body.

The question then is, where is the projection coming from? There are solar lights behind the shed that might assist with the projection? The buck is clearly in front bc it blocks out the doe’s legs.

Thx!

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Nov 22, 2023 14:51:53   #
Mario22 Loc: Albany, NY
 
Have new info to share: The neighbor with the field cam says she sees the red glow often; when they take a picture in color mode. Although sometimes she just sees the red dot.

Also, there is a pile of wood somewhere behind the buck. So maybe the doe was climbing over the wood pile and would appear higher up, and maybe bigger, than the buck? [Would/Could a deer, with thin legs, climb onto a wood pile???]

Still waiting to hear what a perusal of the memory card shows. Thx everyone who has offered ideas!

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Nov 22, 2023 15:04:10   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Mario22 wrote:
It’s interesting that you mention ‘projected light/shadow pattern in vegetation. That area is a wetland or somewhat swampy area with lots of vegetation. The neighbors did not think a real deer would go back there. Thus the idea of an image projecting thru the vegetation seemed interesting. Especially since the red deer does appear to have vegetation on its body.

The question then is, where is the projection coming from? There are solar lights behind the shed that might assist with the projection? The buck is clearly in front bc it blocks out the doe’s legs.

Thx!
It’s interesting that you mention ‘projected light... (show quote)

Aside from, or in addition to the solar lights, are there any lighted decorations, or other lights that project their beams out that direction?
....any lights from the house through window coverings?
....any security lights, (probably a different Kelvin scale temp than the camera light), maybe even mounted at roof height or higher, that spill light out that direction through foliage or something that can make "patterns on the wall", so to speak?

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Nov 22, 2023 15:10:17   #
dustie Loc: Nose to the grindstone
 
Mario22 wrote:
Have new info to share: The neighbor with the field cam says she sees the red glow often; when they take a picture in color mode. Although sometimes she just sees the red dot.

Also, there is a pile of wood somewhere behind the buck. So maybe the doe was climbing over the wood pile and would appear higher up, and maybe bigger, than the buck? [Would/Could a deer, with thin legs, climb onto a wood pile???]

Still waiting to hear what a perusal of the memory card shows. Thx everyone who has offered ideas!
Have new info to share: The neighbor with the fie... (show quote)


If there was a doe on a woodple behind the buck, the proportions of size are still off.
....and she appears to be radioactive...........or at least definitely "in heat", in a big way!!

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Nov 22, 2023 15:14:43   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Longshadow wrote:
Similar to how chickens, cows, pigs, lambs, turkeys... are also "murdered".......
Funny how it's okay to "murder" some animals but not others. Or is that different somehow...
Do fish get murdered also?


I and most people differentiate between Wild Animals and Farm Animals. Even vegetarians and vegans kill plants when they eat them. I support only shooting with a camera. How did we get off photography too this?

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Nov 22, 2023 15:23:32   #
lamiaceae Loc: San Luis Obispo County, CA
 
Mario22 wrote:
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a buck in their backyard with a field camera. What’s strange is the red deer projected behind the buck. It really wasn’t there, but where did it come from? Where did the red coloring in the photo come from? Something to do with field cam lighting to focus?

More info:
The field cam was about 12 feet from the buck.
There’s a small storage garage about 13-14 feet to the right of the buck.
Where the red deer is projected is wetlands.
My friend’s shed is about 15 feet to the left of the buck.
They have solar lights on the other side (backside?) of the shed.
Also on the other side of the shed is a huge wooden Moose sculpture.

At first I thought it had something to do with a reflection or mirrored effect and thought the red light must be from the field cam. However, I wonder about the influence of the wetlands, the solar lights and the Moose sculpture. I know the quality if the field cam photo isn’t very good. I can see the red deer but not the big moose head. Any help figuring out how this photo might have occurred would be appreciated.
When she looks to the left of the red deer, there appears to be the head of the moose but way out of proportion.
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a ... (show quote)


It took me a while to figure out you were talking about a digital Trail Cam. I know a Field Camera to be a type of folding / collapsible view camera. I have an old vintage Gundlach 4x5" one.

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Nov 22, 2023 15:36:55   #
JohnSwanda Loc: San Francisco
 
lamiaceae wrote:
I and most people differentiate between Wild Animals and Farm Animals. Even vegetarians and vegans kill plants when they eat them. I support only shooting with a camera. How did we get off photography too this?


I have no problem with people who hunt wild animals to eat. Anyone who eats meat is participating in killing animals.

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Nov 22, 2023 15:37:41   #
User ID
 
Mario22 wrote:
They are positive that it wasn’t there.

Not buying that. Its a trail camera. Theres no actual eye witnesses. An automated camera doesnt just make stuff up. And peeps who post their puzzlement on UHH often have no great claims to reliable info.

I cant be 100% sure of anything about it, but I know where the lesser and greater degrees of credibilty are found.

All Im saying is that between a robot and a Hawgster, history favors the robot. Personally, Im not even convinced that the background shape should be seen as an animal, sorta like seeing shapes in the clouds or in wood grain, etc. just imaginitive interpretation.

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Nov 22, 2023 15:59:38   #
Delderby Loc: Derby UK
 
texasdigital wrote:
No. Murder (homicide) is killing another human being illegally. It does not apply to animals. You may disagree with killing animals, but for the majority of humans in this world, it is common. You don't have to do the killing yourself to understand that someone has to.

If you are religious, the Bible supports the eating of meat. If you are not, then please explain to me why homo-sapiens have canine teeth, an attribute found only in carnivores. When you anthropomorphize animal behavior, you do a disservice to the animals and yourself.

I should be clear; I am not opposed to people who choose a vegetarian or vegan lifestyle. What you eat and why you eat it is a personal choice. I could go on, but I don't wish to offend you unnecessarily.
No. Murder (homicide) is killing another human bei... (show quote)


My second reply on page 1 of this topic better explains my views (I am not a veggie).

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Nov 22, 2023 16:08:16   #
Bill_de Loc: US
 
JohnSwanda wrote:
They are positive they didn't see it. That doesn't mean it wasn't there.


Good answer!

Apparently the OP wasn't there. I wonder if some post processing could bring out the truth or just make things more mysterious. A fun discussion could come from this.

Too bad UHH doesn't have a section on how to treat animals. Oh, wait, any section will work.
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Nov 22, 2023 16:18:09   #
greigfla
 
Longshadow wrote:
Similar to how chickens, cows, pigs, lambs, turkeys... are also "murdered".......
Funny how it's okay to "murder" some animals but not others. Or is that different somehow...
Do fish get murdered also?


Some folks think its not okay to murder ANY animal, including a porpoise, including a human. They don't like the thought of taking the lives of others in order to maintain their own. But then other folks get excited by it.

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Nov 22, 2023 16:51:50   #
campyboy1 Loc: vancouver Washington
 
To me it looks like an optical illusion because the red deer is so much bigger and it's in the background than the buck which is in the foreground.

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Nov 22, 2023 17:05:58   #
SalvageDiver Loc: Huntington Beach CA
 
Mario22 wrote:
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a buck in their backyard with a field camera. What’s strange is the red deer projected behind the buck. It really wasn’t there, but where did it come from? Where did the red coloring in the photo come from? Something to do with field cam lighting to focus?

More info:
The field cam was about 12 feet from the buck.
There’s a small storage garage about 13-14 feet to the right of the buck.
Where the red deer is projected is wetlands.
My friend’s shed is about 15 feet to the left of the buck.
They have solar lights on the other side (backside?) of the shed.
Also on the other side of the shed is a huge wooden Moose sculpture.

At first I thought it had something to do with a reflection or mirrored effect and thought the red light must be from the field cam. However, I wonder about the influence of the wetlands, the solar lights and the Moose sculpture. I know the quality if the field cam photo isn’t very good. I can see the red deer but not the big moose head. Any help figuring out how this photo might have occurred would be appreciated.
When she looks to the left of the red deer, there appears to be the head of the moose but way out of proportion.
So, a neighbor of a friend, captured a photo of a ... (show quote)


This appears to be a special case of internal reflection inside the lens called “ghosting”. This can cause bright objects from outside the field of view to be captured by the lens and reflected internally, finally reaching the sensor. Internal reflections occur inside all lens, but most of the time are too low to be perceived. The following link gives further discussion, by Michael C[lark] regarding this effect.

https://photo.stackexchange.com/questions/69043/what-could-cause-this-visible-artifact-which-seems-to-a-be-a-glowing-inverse-of/69048#69048

In the case of the field camera, the second deer was likely just outside the field of view of the lens when the camera flashed. The flash hitting the second deer made it bright enough to be sensed by the sensor.

Here is a personal example of this effect. The circled objects were not in the field of view of the lens, but found their way into the image via internal reflections.



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Nov 22, 2023 17:06:41   #
Beenthere
 
Basil wrote:
It looks like the other deer was there and was illuminated, probably by a red focus assist light.


Best explanation yet...

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