gwilliams6

When it is this much a historic advance, why not?

Cheers and best to you.

gwilliams6

Trust me these Japanese makers know what each is working on.

This is the future so nothing short-lived about it. The Canon R1 will likely have a global shutter, and then comes the second generation Sony A1, and second-gen Nikon Z9, which likely will have even better global shutters than the Canon R1.

Just remember there can only be one "first" of anything. So Sony has a lock on that historic honor with the first global shutter hybrid fullframe camera. Just another industry first for Sony.

Cheers and best to you.

gwilliams6

They win hands down with that. LOL, LOL

If you are annoyed with historic photographic news, ignore this thread and move on without comment. LOL

No one is making you read this or comment on this, nobody.

Cheers and best to you.

gwilliams6

B&H Photo/Video:

LIVE: Sony a9 III Discussion with Jean Fruth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0rw4YNiLM

Cheers

gouldopfl

If it has been seen in the wild I would say they have already.

gwilliams6

You should quote what you are responding to, it really helps to understand the context of your comment.

Canon and its testers aren't saying yet whether the coming Canon R1 will have a global shutter sensor or not. It is a possibility, as there have been wild rumors that Canon folks have later come back to say were not so, but no proof is available yet either way. .

IMHO, I think it will have a global shutter sensor, but I could be wrong. Certainly the Sony A9III puts pressure on all makers to respond.

The major makers have all spent years working on this, and they were in a race to be the first to market, so it will become the new normal in a few years. But only one can be first to market.

You will see loads of Sony A9III and Sony A1 at the Paris Olympics in 2024, as all staffer photographers and staff videographers from Top Worldwide News Services including Associated Press; all Gannett media including USA Today; all Canadian Press; all of UK's Top News service, all use Sony exclusively .

The Canon R1 will be there also, as well as top cameras from Nikon as AFP (Agence France Presse) staffers use Nikon gear.

https://alphauniverse.com/stories/why-the-associated-press-just-switched-to-sony/

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/sony-is-now-the-exclusive-camera-provider-for-gannett-and-usa-today/

https://www.dpreview.com/news/4545693607/the-uk-largest-news-agency-partners-with-sony

https://petapixel.com/2022/01/31/canadas-largest-news-organization-moves-exclusively-to-sony-cameras/#:~:text=Canada's%20Largest%20News%20Agency%20Moves%20Exclusively%20to%20Sony%20Cameras,-Jan%2031%2C%202022&text=The%20Canadian%20Press%2C%20the%20largest,provider%20for%20the%20media%20company.

https://petapixel.com/2022/06/09/how-pro-photographers-helped-make-the-z9-from-prototype-to-flagship/
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We will all eventually benefit from global shutter sensors, no matter which brand we prefer.

Cheers and best to you.

MDI Mainer

Some additional hands-on reviews from SonyAlphaRumors:

https://www.sonyalpharumors.com/first-sony-a9iii-hands-on-reviews/

gwilliams6

Sony A9III:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gCKcq4THNQ&t=1s

Sony 300mm f2.8 GM lens:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHuPeArd43I&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Felectronics.sony.com%2F&embeds_referring_origin=https%3A%2F%2Felectronics.sony.com&source_ve_path=Mjg2NjY&feature=emb_logo

(Canon R3 user) Jared Polin: Sony a9 III Hands-On Preview: THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1AgFslWVRI

Andreas Pizzini Photography: 10 reasons why you should preorder the game changing Sony A9III now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lpe57pYHEZI

B&H Photo/Video: LIVE: Sony a9 III and Sony 300 f2.8 GM Discussion with Jean Fruth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vz0rw4YNiLM&t=2655s


Cheers and best to you all.

JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA

We all have heard for years that noise and dynamic range were the weak points of global shutters. And we aren't currently hearing anything about this from Sony right now. And the early reviewers, if it's done the way it usually is, will only be able to do their reviews using JPEGs.

Let's suppose for a minute that Sony has solved the noise and dynamic range problem. And they are not saying anything right now anticipating the ability to drop another bombshell when news of this comes out later, closer to the shipping release date! They do seem to be able to hide what they're doing and to not let anyone know what's about to happen.

Certainly, this would put them back in the news in a very positive light! And also make it harder for their competitors that just may not have this problem solved yet.

Now this is just a "suppose" exercise. I have no advance knowledge of this being true or not. But it does make me ponder it.

And one more thing to ponder about. Suppose they have also found a way to reduce the manufacturing costs significantly. That would open the door to more Sony cameras taking this route also.

And just one more thing Sony has mentioned in the past is that they want to also pursue computational photography too. And what is one thing needed for this is the ability to fire off a batch of images at high speed before applying some magic to them such as the cell phones do now. Of course, this would not be of much interest to the pro photographers who despise these games. It would have to happen with something small that could fit in a pocket such as a takeoff on the RX100 family. It would have to be as easy to use as a cell phone and do the things a cell phone can do, but to provide images far beyond what a cell phone can do.

Just thinking!

JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA

Wow! This guy is devastated. He knows that this is a game changer. A big-time game changer!

MrBob Loc: lookout Mtn. NE Alabama

"Gut Punch" - Now there's a unique reason to buy a $6000 camera ??[/quote]

WHY call it a gut punch.... Its like a see saw, one moment your up, the next down a bit. EVERYONE will adopt the new tech in due time. They can crow all they want about SELLING LIKE CRAZY, but the avg. Joe is NOT shelling out 6000. Selling like crazy are the smaller sensors.... The illiterates coming out of schools nowadays could not care less about FF and global shutters; we, who have an interest in this stuff, live in a fantasy world apart from the masses.

Canisdirus

Sony has over 50% of the sensor market wrapped up...and that is where they make their major coin. It looks like they are going to grab another chunk with this new FF tech.

Take Nikon...no way they are going to build a global shutter...they have not made the investment to do that...it takes years.

So...Nikon has to make a phone call...to Sony. Sony sells sensors way higher than they have to pay themselves...and Sony sells cameras too. That means Nikon hands over coin to Sony just so they can make their cameras...and then their cameras have to be competitive in function and price. Sony wins going in and out...

Pick a camera company...they will most likely all be making that phone call to Sony...probably already happened...manufacturers are getting in line for global shutters.

Those that can afford to do that...will...some probably cannot (OM-D)...they are swirling the dustbin of technology now.

rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA

If the various camera companies know in general what each other is up to, I would expect each to already be compensating for this. Only so many users will purchase a $6000 camera good for fast bursts.

A. T.

Man, this guy is really impressed with Sony's new world class mirrorless wonder.

gwilliams6

To refresh: Back in 2020, when I was attending WPPI in Las Vegas, I met and spent many hours with a top Sony Manager over a few days and we talked at great length. He was interested in my needs as a longtime pro, and of course I tried to get as much info as I could from him on many Sony subjects.

I asked him about a Sony global shutter consumer camera (Sony already had industrial and a few video/cinema global shutters being used). He told me, exactly like you have heard, that the two main issues with a global shutter were noise and dynamic range. He said Sony was working hard to engineer solutions to those issues, and when Sony had them solved we would see a consumer fullframe global shutter camera released with quality that professionals would expect from Sony. We have remained in touch since then, talking on many Sony topics.

It remains to be independently tested and shown what the noise levels and dynamic range is of this new A9III. Those levels must be good enough that Sony was confident to announce this camera now, pointing towards the 2024 Paris Olympics. We shall see.

Cheers and best to you.