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Sony Announces a9 III, World’s First Global Sensor Full-Frame Camera. How would you use its industry-exclusive features if you owned one??
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Nov 8, 2023 14:06:51   #
gwilliams6
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
But for those who have the skill to benefit from the technology it very well might!


Exactly


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Nov 8, 2023 14:08:27   #
gwilliams6
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Dan Carr put it thusly: "[T]his camera represents a seismic shift in camera technology." For Jared it's a "gut punch" to the competition. But competition is what makes all the brands improve.



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Nov 8, 2023 14:19:33   #
gwilliams6
 
Update:

Today Sony said they will have a firmware update for the A9III so it will shoot at 1/80,000 sec. in raw burst shooting up to and including 120fps. As introduced yesterday, yes the A9III shoots at 1/80,000 sec. shutter speed, but 120fps raw file bursts in the A9III were limited to max 1/16,000 sec. shutter speed.

The new firmware will be out before actual delivery of first batch of A9III in March 2024. So yes you can shoot raw files at 120fps at speeds as high as 1/80,000 second with full AE/AF-C. .

And of course you can shoot flash at any speed including 1/80,000 second.

Cheers and best to you all.

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Nov 8, 2023 14:28:53   #
gwilliams6
 
JimH123 wrote:
I can understand why they elected to do this in the A9 camera line. It's a lower volume, niche line and for intro'ing something as big as this, it allows them to see how it works out and is accepted by a much lower volume of cameras.

Of course, Sony tells us very little about their roadmap and no telling the plans for other cameras. We don't know if 24M pixels is near the limit on what they can fit on a sensor that size, or if they are not yet limited on how dense it can go. We just don't know. And that is the way Sony prefers it.

This global sensor will be more expensive to make than existing sensors. But they have broken the ice, and the door is open for more, if they feel it will make sense.

Certainly I would love to have a global sensor, but as a retired hobbyist, I don't see that happening.

I will be interesting to see how this new camera works out.
I can understand why they elected to do this in th... (show quote)



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Nov 8, 2023 14:32:46   #
gwilliams6
 
MJPerini wrote:
For people who use flash, especially fill flash, this is a very big deal.
There will be a learning curve that goes all the way back to flash bulbs where shutter speed could be faster than flash duration, but now we have TTL flash metering for at least speed lights as well as some other bigger units.
There are lots of cameras that can shoot 15-20 FPS which in the real world is more than enough for capturing just about any kind of action, so I look at 120 FPS as sort of a "Because we Can' type of statistic unless you want to make RAW Slo-Mo movies.......
It is clearly a real advance Sony should upgrade their speed lights to be bullet proof at those firing rates.
People pay thousands extra for Leaf shutter MF lenses just for flash synch.
Sony did it first, good for them, it probably won't be long before others join the club.
For people who use flash, especially fill flash, t... (show quote)


For pro sports and action shooters that 120fps will come in handy to get that EXACT defining moment. I have personally been shooting Pro sports since the 70's and every advance of fps has been put to good use by photographers to capture those exact most storytelling and critical moments.

Cheers

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Nov 8, 2023 15:52:38   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
The new firmware will be out before actual delivery of first batch of A9III in March 2024. So yes you can shoot raw files at 120fps at speeds as high as 1/80,000 second with full AE/AF-C

March 2024 is a long way in the future. I wonder if this announcement was planned to kill everyone else’s Holiday sales, while Sony figures out how to deliver that which they have already promised.

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Nov 8, 2023 16:18:56   #
gouldopfl
 
This may be short lived. The Canon R1 has been seen in the wild. I can't believe they aren't looking at that. I don't expect them to be available until right before the Olympics.

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Nov 8, 2023 16:27:41   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
gouldopfl wrote:
This may be short lived. The Canon R1 has been seen in the wild. I can't believe they aren't looking at that. I don't expect them to be available until right before the Olympics.

I’m sure they are ‘looking at it’; the question is whether they can solve the issues before the Olympics.

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Nov 8, 2023 16:42:54   #
Canisdirus
 
rehess wrote:
March 2024 is a long way in the future. I wonder if this announcement was planned to kill everyone else’s Holiday sales, while Sony figures out how to deliver that which they have already promised.


It's not far in the future...just a few months.

They need to get these models out to the pro's...and with all the shipping problems...now is about the right time to get the sales for the olympics crowd.

I doubt it will ruin the competitions typical xmas sales...only the top 5 to 10% of photographers will be considering this.

It will increase Sony's advantage with the pro's...that's the mission here...and looks like a done deal already.

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Nov 8, 2023 16:43:59   #
BobHartung Loc: Bettendorf, IA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Sony Announces a9 III, World’s First Global Sensor Full-Frame Camera. How would you use its industry-exclusive features if you owned one ?

Cheers and best to you all


First, I would not use it. $6000 for 24 MPX camera with crappy (IMHO) ergonomics is insane.

Nikon Z8 & Z9 have a precapture ability.

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Nov 8, 2023 16:53:09   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
It's not far in the future...just a few months.

They need to get these models out to the pro's...and with all the shipping problems...now is about the right time to get the sales for the olympics crowd.

I doubt it will ruin the competitions typical xmas sales...only the top 5 to 10% of photographers will be considering this.

It will increase Sony's advantage with the pro's...that's the mission here...and looks like a done deal already.

It depends on how many people go from “CHG-CANON” to “CHG-SONY”; how many people plunk down $6000 and don’t abandon their money over the next 4 months. $6000 sounds like a lot to me, but I wonder how much these people ‘have invested’ in “R” lenses.

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Nov 8, 2023 17:30:58   #
Canisdirus
 
rehess wrote:
It depends on how many people go from “CHG-CANON” to “CHG-SONY”; how many people plunk down $6000 and don’t abandon their money over the next 4 months. $6000 sounds like a lot to me, but I wonder how much these people ‘have invested’ in “R” lenses.


It's not a lot of money relative to the performance...it's a pro price for a pro camera.

It doesn't do the 'pro' world any good to have this thing come out cheap...if you think that through a bit...you'll understand.

That barrier...protects the pro market.

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Nov 8, 2023 17:33:41   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
Canisdirus wrote:
It's not a lot of money relative to the performance...it's a pro price for a pro camera.

It doesn't do the 'pro' world any good to have this thing come out cheap...if you think that through a bit...you'll understand.

That barrier...protects the pro market.

Is it usual practice to announce a system four months in advance??

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Nov 8, 2023 19:03:38   #
moonhawk Loc: Land of Enchantment
 
rehess wrote:
Is it usual practice to announce a system four months in advance??


Yes.

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Nov 8, 2023 20:24:29   #
gwilliams6
 
rehess wrote:
March 2024 is a long way in the future. I wonder if this announcement was planned to kill everyone else’s Holiday sales, while Sony figures out how to deliver that which they have already promised.


The A9III is in testers hands right now and it is real, and working just as promised with simultaneous Sony three-day events in NYC and Istanbul. And the invited pros, youtubers and testers are leaving with the camera for their own deeper hands-on testing. There have been many initial hands-on reviews , with lots of additional in-depth reviews coming.

Sony is already getting many pre-orders around the world, and needs time to ramp up production so it is better to have time until late Feb. to get enough made and final firmware installed, and yes to sort out any possible issues testers uncover .

Too many other makers introduced new cameras when they didn't have enough to fill orders, and wound up in big embarrassing public apologies for short supplies. Sony has a much better track record with having the cameras in sufficient numbers on actual release date.

But yes of course Sony doesn't want you to buy something else from another brand before Feb., so introducing the A9III now is a smart marketing move. Now everyone will have to compare their rolling shutter camera choices to this historic global shutter competitor. If you were saving money up, you certainly might want this "seismic advance" over other tech.

Cheers and best to you.

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