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Sony Announces a9 III, World’s First Global Sensor Full-Frame Camera. How would you use its industry-exclusive features if you owned one??
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Nov 7, 2023 17:05:22   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
I do expect the future will bring more global shutter cameras from other makers. Maybe the Canon R1 will now have to have a global shutter.

Sony, Canon, Panasonic and others have all been working on global shutters for their consumer cameras. Sony and others have had global shutters in industrial cameras and some video/cinema cameras.

But this is a new first for a professional fullframe hybrid consumer camera, and "it changes everything" in the words of current Canon R3 shooter, Jared Polin (Fro-Knows) .

There can only ever be one "First".

Congratulations to Sony on this historic achievement, and best to you all.
I do expect the future will bring more global shut... (show quote)


And probably more from Sony too. We all want the cameras designed for the mass market to have this. But I suspect the Sony A1iii is next.

The hard part of doing global shutter seems to be now over. They won't have to reinvent the wheel to take this to other future cameras. And I suspect that Sony is aggressively guarding the technology involved. Typically, in the past, Sony has not allowed new sensor technology to be sold to anyone else for at least 6 months. We'll see if this will be the same.

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Nov 7, 2023 17:42:49   #
Grahame Loc: Fiji
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Sony Announces a9 III, World’s First Global Sensor Full-Frame Camera. How would you use its industry-exclusive features if you owned one ?

Cheers and best to you all

It's great to see such technology innovations.

How would I use it, take advantage of the higher flash sync speed availability in sports with severely backlit subjects faces.

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Nov 7, 2023 18:17:16   #
gwilliams6
 
JimH123 wrote:
And probably more from Sony too. We all want the cameras designed for the mass market to have this. But I suspect the Sony A1iii is next.

The hard part of doing global shutter seems to be now over. They won't have to reinvent the wheel to take this to other future cameras. And I suspect that Sony is aggressively guarding the technology involved. Typically, in the past, Sony has not allowed new sensor technology to be sold to anyone else for at least 6 months. We'll see if this will be the same.
And probably more from Sony too. We all want the ... (show quote)



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Nov 7, 2023 18:17:44   #
gwilliams6
 
Grahame wrote:
It's great to see such technology innovations.

How would I use it, take advantage of the higher flash sync speed availability in sports with severely backlit subjects faces.




Yes the flash sync at ANY speed even up to 1/80,000 sec. is a real game-changer, forever.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 7, 2023 18:21:08   #
gwilliams6
 
Even DigitalCameraWorld which has always leaned heavily into promoting Canon gear over other brands (I never minded that, really) , acknowledges the historical significance of the new Sony A9III.

"BREAKING NEWS: The next generation of professional sports cameras is born with launch of Sony A9 III"

https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/sony-a9-iii-can-shoot-at-180000sec-shutter-speed-with-full-frame-global-sensor?utm_term=406D0795-0446-4D25-AB3D-F5AD82C49B98&lrh=af45065ac774cb44b4fda6af3981c2575f229b69b9650a4ed4d7db2feabaceb1&utm_campaign=75AC6D4F-39F0-41CB-A47C-7C5D939AC64B&utm_medium=email&utm_content=A1CD4305-9DD2-4813-9CD2-C04C3F3AE1DD&utm_source=SmartBrief

Cheers

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Nov 7, 2023 18:25:51   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
SalvageDiver wrote:
Use it. Shutter count becomes meaningless. Burst mode of 120 fps vs the current 10-30 fps is insane. Without needing a mechanical shutter, the camera should last a very long time.

Perhaps “a very long time”, but I believe people already pay too much attention to ‘shutter count’. Any camera has various moving pieces, and none of them will last forever. ‘Shutter Count’ already serves as a proxy for wear-and-tear, which will continue to be an issue.

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Nov 7, 2023 18:40:29   #
gwilliams6
 
ORpilot wrote:
Thanks for announcing the a9iii. The pre-exposure would be nice for birds and creatures. The global shutter would also be nice. I'm sure there are other things that would be nice. If I still did wedding photography then the no limit on flash sync speed would be great. The $6000 is not so nice.




For the first global shutter in a professional sports camera, that $6K price is understandable. Many Sony pros today said online they would have even paid more for its revolutionary competitive advantages .

Sure I would have loved it to cost less, but as other global shutter cameras make it to market, the prices should come down, I just dont know how quickly that will be. If the Canon R1, Canon's rumored flagship camera , coming in 2024, also has a global shutter, I expect it to cost about the same.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 7, 2023 19:19:35   #
gwilliams6
 
Folks when I was attending WPPI in Las Vegas, back in 2020, I became friends with one of Sony's Top Managers running Sony's exhibits and Pro Services there. We talked at length over a few days and I asked him about a Sony global shutter pro camera. he told me Sony was spending loads of time , technical expertise and money, hard at work on one. He said two of the biggest issues at that point back then with global shutters were noise and dynamic range.

He promised me Sony would have a great one, but not before it solved all those issues and was on the professional quality level that consumers and pros would accept.

Well I guess Sony's tech engineers' years of hard work has paid off. And this is just the beginning for sure ,as I am sure global shutters with even higher megapixels are coming also.

Cheers and best to you, whatever gear you use.

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Nov 7, 2023 20:02:53   #
JimH123 Loc: Morgan Hill, CA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
Folks when I was attending WPPI in Las Vegas, back in 2020, I became friends with one of Sony's Top Managers running Sony's exhibits and Pro Services there. We talked at length over a few days and I asked him about a Sony global shutter pro camera. he told me Sony was spending loads of time , technical expertise and money, hard at work on one. He said two of the biggest issues at that point back then with global shutters were noise and dynamic range.

He promised me Sony would have a great one, but not before it solved all those issues and was on the professional quality level that consumers and pros would accept.

Well I guess Sony's tech engineers' years of hard work has paid off. And this is just the beginning for sure ,as I am sure global shutters with even higher megapixels are coming also.

Cheers and best to you, whatever gear you use.
Folks when I was attending WPPI in Las Vegas, back... (show quote)


Hard to imagine how much this research must have cost Sony to achieve this breakthrough! Just how many dead end wafers were built to get there. I guess that the other manufacturers are looking under every rock to figure out what Sony did to get there.

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Nov 7, 2023 20:11:33   #
rehess Loc: South Bend, Indiana, USA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:


For the first global shutter in a professional sports camera, that $6K price is understandable.

I understand how a global shutter would benefit someone covering sports, but how would ‘regular photographers benefit?

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Nov 7, 2023 20:31:42   #
gwilliams6
 
rehess wrote:
I understand how a global shutter would benefit someone covering sports, but how would ‘regular photographers benefit?


Loads of ways; flash sync at any speed, no rolling shutter AT ALL in either stills or video even just covering kids playing in the yard, no worry about flickering lights or banding under any artificial lighting circumstances with no color changes, image precapture even up to 120fps, stopping motion at 1/80,000 second for a hummingbird's wings, kids splashing in a pool or playing with the hose, and endless other everyday subjects like pets, and so much more.

Years from now it will be the norm ,and you will wonder why we were satisfied with less, LOL.

Cheers and best to you.

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Nov 8, 2023 00:02:19   #
gwilliams6
 
Vahagraphy's, Nikon Nation Podcast: Discusses the new Sony A9III today:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Niwq2w0VbyU

Cheers and best to you all, whatever gear you use.

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Nov 8, 2023 00:14:15   #
gwilliams6
 
B&H Photo:

Sony a9 III: Unrivaled Speed, Zero Distortion and More!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvAG3eEUcwg

Cheers

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Nov 8, 2023 00:21:51   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
MDI Mainer wrote:
Dan Carr on the A9 III:

Note there is a typo in the second paragraph, at least in this early version of the review. It's the "global shutter" that captures data from all pixels simultaneously.

But "pre-capture" seems surreal! It "enables you to create images of things that happen before you’ve even pressed the shutter button."

https://shuttermuse.com/sony-announces-a9-iii-camera-global-shutter/


My Olympus cameras have had precapture for years. Nikon now has it with the Z8 & Z9, (albeit only with JPEG). It actually doesn’t happen before you press the shutter. When you half press the shutter it starts buffering. When you then fully press it saves a certain number of images from the buffer plus more shots after the shutter press.

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Nov 8, 2023 00:24:17   #
SuperflyTNT Loc: Manassas VA
 
gwilliams6 wrote:
There are a few cameras that do pre-capture, but none can do it in raw at up to 120fps in fullframe like the new A9III.

I like this quote from your linked article from shuttermuse.com ;

"Make no mistake, this camera represents a seismic shift in camera technology. Stacked sensor technology with a fast-readout rolling shutter is now old news. Somehow, Sony managed to keep this camera under wraps until the very last moment. I think it’s fair to say that nobody expected a camera with this kind of speed, and certainly not with a global shutter."

And with a World's First 1/80,000 second shutter speed, even usable with flash at 1/80,000 sec. flash sync.

Again Sony asserts its #1 leadership in fullframe mirrorless technology and in camera technology, on the ten-year anniversary of it creating the World's First fullframe mirrorless camera ever, the A7. A camera that changed the photo world forever, and now another camera from Sony that changes the photo world.

Way to go Sony !!

Cheers and best to you.
There are a few cameras that do pre-capture, but n... (show quote)


It’s great that Sony did this and I look forward to the others also offering global shutters, but you’re on the verge of being as annoying as those Canon fanboys. 😜🤪

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