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Oct 29, 2023 04:14:04   #
niteman3d Loc: South Central Pennsylvania, USA
 
camvelkuf wrote:
What does any of that have to do with photography? What happened to this website recently?


You are in the "General Chit-Chat (non-photography talk)" section of the forum. Actually, there isn't supposed to be any photography discussion in this section if my understanding is correct.

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Oct 29, 2023 04:24:30   #
Harry02 Loc: Gardena, CA
 
JimG1 wrote:
LOL wait till the new prices, from the cost of ending the UAW strike, hit. Then a few of us will be priced out of new cars.


Well, is having GAS affecting your car purchase?
Don't buy the car that came out last month!
Plus, you know about pionees? They are the ones with arrows in their backs.
We bought a new Toyota 2 months after the following year news entered.
Brand new, @100 miles, full warranty, issues looked up- half price.
10 years later- still happy.

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Oct 29, 2023 08:00:04   #
sodapop Loc: Bel Air, MD
 
NDMarks wrote:
I still think all the bluster about electric vehicles is a bunch of BS. I'm waiting to see what happens when everyone comes home from work at 5pm and plugs in their battery chargers. Will the electric grid go dim? Also, what will happen when the batteries start to die. I have heard replacement costs around 10K$ and where will all the dead batteries go? There are attempts at recycling but will they be able to handle the quantities? Also we had an electric car catch fire in the area and it took the fire dept 6 hours to put it out. Reminds of the old days of the true magnesium rims - they were fun to extinguish. I think it's all attempts at politicians (like California's governor) trying to make it look like they are doing something. We'll see. I'll stick to my 94 Ram/12V Cummins.
I still think all the bluster about electric vehic... (show quote)


They want to eliminate all things made from petroleum. The problem with that is that all things are dependent on petroleum products in one way or another

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Oct 29, 2023 09:29:28   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
NDMarks wrote:
I still think all the bluster about electric vehicles is a bunch of BS. I'm waiting to see what happens when everyone comes home from work at 5pm and plugs in their battery chargers. Will the electric grid go dim? Also, what will happen when the batteries start to die. I have heard replacement costs around 10K$ and where will all the dead batteries go? There are attempts at recycling but will they be able to handle the quantities? Also we had an electric car catch fire in the area and it took the fire dept 6 hours to put it out. Reminds of the old days of the true magnesium rims - they were fun to extinguish. I think it's all attempts at politicians (like California's governor) trying to make it look like they are doing something. We'll see. I'll stick to my 94 Ram/12V Cummins.
I still think all the bluster about electric vehic... (show quote)


Basically, there is no good solution to any problem. Everything is a compromise.

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Oct 29, 2023 09:31:53   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
niteman3d wrote:
Actually, there isn't supposed to be any photography discussion in this section if my understanding is correct.


And that can be tricky. Does a discussion of processing belong in Main or Chit-Chat? I've seen quite a few overlaps. No big deal, as far as I'm concerned.

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Oct 29, 2023 10:21:09   #
StanMac Loc: Tennessee
 
JimG1 wrote:
LOL wait till the new prices, from the cost of ending the UAW strike, hit. Then a few of us will be priced out of new cars.


I haven’t bought a new car since 1987. The used cars I have bought saved me a ton of money and gave me excellent service life.

Stan

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Oct 29, 2023 10:41:29   #
JimG1 Loc: Waxahachie, TX
 
tdozier3 wrote:
Can't wait to see when the auto workers start getting laid off, because people can't afford to buy the cars they are making anymore. I'm a Union worker myself, but what they were asking for was a bit greedy. Like you said about the cost of the settlement. The companys aren't going to cut their profits to pay for it, the consumers are gonna pay for it.


Exactly! The companies aren't going to cut profits.

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Oct 29, 2023 11:54:30   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
alberio wrote:
I almost fell over when this lady told me her new Denali cost her over $100,000. I'm sticking with my 1998 1 ton Dodge 12 valve Cummins.


https://www.gmc.com/suvs/yukon/xl/sle-slt/build-and-price/trims/features/428117

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Oct 29, 2023 12:12:04   #
RKL349 Loc: Connecticut
 
In April of this year, a dealer from whom I previously purchased three vehicles over the years, was contacted about a new vehicle. I went in to the dealer and was told they were not taking orders but I would have to select from something they had in inventory. I told him the trim level I was interested in with options I wanted. I gave him a range of colors. The closest he could come was going to cost $4500 more than I planned to spend for the car. The next step was the value of my trade. I researched KBB, Edmunds and NADA for trade-in values. They came in at $3000 less than the average of the three groups I researched. Their answer was it was the best they could do. Mind you, I had successfully negotiated trades with them in the past. I walked out and bought a different brand from a dealer I had dealt with years ago, ordered with exact options and color I wanted, delivered in less than 6 weeks. The original dealer I visited first called to see if I was still interested in buying a car and I told them I had made a purchase from another dealer for a competing brand. They asked me where the loyalty was. Duh…….

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Oct 29, 2023 12:13:40   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
RKL349 wrote:
In April of this year, a dealer from whom I previously purchased three vehicles over the years, was contacted about a new vehicle. I went in to deer aar and was told they were not taking orders but I would have to select from something they had in inventory. I told him the trim level I was interested in with options I wanted. I gave him a range of colors. The closest he could come was going to cost $4500 more than I planned to spend for the car. The next step was the value of my trade. I researched KBB, Edmunds and NADA for trade in values. They came in at $3000 less than the average of the three groups I researched. Their answer was it was the best they could do. Mind you, I had successfully negotiated trades with them in the past. I walked out and bought a different brand from a dealer I had dealt with years ago, ordered with exact options and color I wanted, delivered in less than 6 weeks. The original dealer I visited first called to see if I was still interested in buying a car and I told them I had made a purchase from another dealer for a competing brand. They asked me where the loyalty was. Duh…….
In April of this year, a dealer from whom I previo... (show quote)


Walking away is often the best choice - in many situations.

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Oct 29, 2023 12:56:16   #
Stephan G
 
Shellback wrote:
The latest version is the car manufacturers are cutting back on electric vehicles - we’ll see what happens…


"Short circuiting"?


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Oct 29, 2023 14:06:23   #
huyenguyen408
 
Costco have a very good Auto Buying Program, where they can help you getting the best deal in their circle of dealers, you just make appointments, go see the dealer(s), decide who is the best choice and go for it. The Honda HR-V we bought in 2020 (2019 model) can resell with equal or higher price now.

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Oct 29, 2023 14:55:45   #
clint f. Loc: Priest Lake Idaho, Spokane Wa
 
JimG1 wrote:
Exactly! The companies aren't going to cut profits.


They sell cars to consumers. The consumer pays. The company gets money from the consumer which is spent primarily on wages and benefits for employees, materials, facilities and taxes, etc. the remainder is for investors, large and small. The company has a fiduciary relationship with the investors. The investors earn a dividend hopefully. They elect a board of directors who choose a CEO with the expectation that s/he and the board will keep the company headed in the right direction financially. The big investors use the acquisition of stock (ownership in the company) as a source of funding for your retirement. Small investors are usually using stock purchases to build a retirement portfolio, pay for kids college or such. You can complain about profits or CEO salaries but in the final analysis the financial health of all the humans in that chain need all the others to survive. Or you can cut out the middle man via government production and get a fleet of Yugos.

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Oct 29, 2023 15:22:43   #
SteveFranz Loc: Durham, NC
 
jerryc41 wrote:
People blame everything on workers, those on the lowest rung of the ladder. It's those who run the company that make the decisions and set the prices.

General Motors CEO Mary Barra, meanwhile, is the highest-paid of the three CEOs, making about $29 million a year.


How is that significant or relevant? GM has 167,000 employees per wikipedia. Her 29 million salary works out to 173.65 per employee - or- $4.88 per vehicle manufactured. I envy her salary, but don't begrudge her for it.

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Oct 30, 2023 08:16:05   #
jerryc41 Loc: Catskill Mts of NY
 
SteveFranz wrote:
How is that significant or relevant? GM has 167,000 employees per wikipedia. Her 29 million salary works out to 173.65 per employee - or- $4.88 per vehicle manufactured. I envy her salary, but don't begrudge her for it.


Yeah. She earned every cent of that $29,000,000.

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